Why are we always threatened?

[Hazam'sBro]

Why are the 'people' of America always threatened. As if we can control what our government does. Most of us don't even watch the events in the world. It is just sad to see that the 'people' of the U.S. are targeted for no good reason

New Hamas Chief

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - The new leader of the militant group Hamas on Sunday called President Bush (news - web sites) the enemy of Islam and said that "God declared war" against Bush, the United States and Israel.

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In a speech at Gaza's Islamic University, Hamas leader Abdel Aziz Rantisi said he was not surprised that the United States vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution condemning Israel's assassination on Monday of Hamas spiritual leader Sheik Ahmed Yassin.

"We knew that Bush is the enemy of God, the enemy of Islam and Muslims. America declared war against God. Sharon declared war against God and God declared war against America, Bush and Sharon," Rantisi said. "The war of God continues against them and I can see the victory coming up from the land of Palestine by the hand of Hamas."

[Dan]

Bismillah

I thought the whole theory behind democracy was the people really did control what the government did. The system is set up so that people can change it. The problem is that it requires effort. Most of us are content to watch who the latest celebrities are dating and which team won which games. This nation is asleep. Yet is that an excuse for not knowing what is happening in the world and even in our own country?

By this reasoning, the citizens of Nazi Germany played no part in the murdering of millions of people, jews, gypsies, catholics, and other prisoners. Most of them did not know what truly happened in the concentration camps. So are they completely absolved of these attrocities? I believe not. They are the ones who put such a government into power. By doing so, they are shouldering some of the responcibiltiy of what that government does.

I do not believe that self-inflicted ignorance is an excuse for anything, not when the alternative is so readily available.

Peace.

[Hazam'sBro]

People are to busy working here to really have a good grasp of knowing what is really going on there. People here typically vote by how the economy is fluctuating. And why is it that we are threatened? We are not the one's who supposedly took the land of the Palestinians. How about some of them growing some balls and start an all out revolution until the two-state treaty is fulfilled. Suicide bombings here and there will only hurt the Palestinian cause in the long run. I hope you realize this.

[Hazam'sBro]

<i>Originally posted by Dan </i><b>Bismillah</b>

I thought the whole theory behind democracy was the people really did control what the government did. The system is set up so that people can change it.

No kind of government can ever stop corruption from within. Look at any government that has been presented by philosophers, socialists, marxists, people that are pro-capitalism, etc. You will NEVER get a government that cannot be corrupted from within. You also have to look at how corrupt some of these muslim leaders are as well. Israel and the U.S. cannot always be the enemy.

<b> The problem is that it requires effort. Most of us are content to watch who the latest celebrities are dating and which team won which games.</b>

Because of our hard work we are entitled to this. This is why no kind of government is fully capable of functioning without flaws in the system. No government has the majority of its citizens informed with what's going on.

<b>This nation is asleep. Yet is that an excuse for not knowing what is happening in the world and even in our own country?</b>

Since you seem to know exactly what has been going on, why don't you inform us?

<b>By this reasoning, the citizens of Nazi Germany played no part in the murdering of millions of people, jews, gypsies, catholics, and other prisoners.</b>

No they didn't. It was the NAZIS' who commited the acts. I promise if Iraq truly had power and Saddam had called for an all out war against innocent civilians in Israel, they would. Every citizen fights for THEIR country, whether that deed be seen as wrong in the future or not.

<b> Most of them did not know what truly happened in the concentration camps. So are they completely absolved of these attrocities?</b>

Yes, the people are not involved in governmental affairs. See corruption from within from my earlier statements

<b> I believe not. They are the ones who put such a government into power. By doing so, they are shouldering some of the responcibiltiy of what that government does.</b>

You forget that Germany had no other choice that to elect the NAZI party as head of the government. If they had known of Hitlar's intentions I am sure they wouldn't have elected him

<b>I do not believe that self-inflicted ignorance is an excuse for anything, not when the alternative is so readily available.</b>

Neither do I, but you cannot blame innocent civilians when they hear two different things. Who do you expect them to believe? The people that we elected to office, or a bunch of terrorists that are promised 72 blind dates when they die for 'God?'

[Dan]

Bismillah

You are telling me that Americans have no free time to find out about one of the greatest world issues right now? That is just a lie. How is it that the majority of people know all about what happened on prime time? How is it that every new single on the radio is memorized? How is it that people have sports statistics memorized for an entire season? I am not arguing against people voting according to the economy. I know this. I am saying that to claim people are so hard working in this country that there is no possible means for them to clue in to the news is ridiculous.

Isreal would not be able to exist without the aid of the United States. I believe that it is 3-4 billion dollars annually that the US gives to Isreal. This does not include the additional aid packages that are sent there. Is this not the reason that Afghanistan was attacked? Because they supported the enemies of the US? Then why is it such a stretch of the mind that the US would be targeted?

Trust me the children and women living in Palestine right now have more balls than you or I will ever have. Such judgement calls show the lack of knowledge that you have about the whole situation. If a 120 lb man is constantly beaten by a 300 lb man, would not the little man be considered stupid if he kept constantly going toe-to-toe with the huge guy? Would we not expect for him to think of some other means of defeating this individual? I do not condone suicide bombings but I can also see that you have no idea what the Isrealis do to the Palistinians.

I suggest finding some Palistinians and asking them about the hardships that they went through and why they sought refuge in this country. It opened my eyes to the atrocities.

Peace

[Dan]

Bismillah

So much for the history major.

"You forget that Germany had no other choice that to elect the NAZI party as head of the government. If they had known of Hitlar's intentions I am sure they wouldn't have elected him"

Read "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." You might be surprised to find that your statement is not quite correct.

I can see that this conversation will not really result in you doing further research. It will probably only result in your seemingly witty retorts and excuses that have no basis. But then again you are American so "Because of our hard work we are entitled to this."

I guess ignorance is bliss until the effects of that bliss come crashing home.

[Hazam'sBro]

You attack me because deep down you know that I am right. The nations that run under the guise of Islam (which constitutes around 1.6 billion people) cannot even handle a few millions Jews.

Just look at all the countries that have Islam somehow incorporated in their political structure. They are all poor nations. Oh yes, blame America! blame America!

And your Germany take was brilliant. It truly seems that the majority of Muslims are truly brainwashed.

The Nazi movement grew rapidly, recruiting thousands of discharged civil servants, ruined shopkeepers and small-business owners, impoverished farmers, workers disillusioned with the Socialist and Communist parties, and a host of frustrated and embittered young people of all classes, brought up in the postwar years and without hope of personal economic security. The Nazi Party took all possible advantage of the deepening depression from 1929 to 1932. Desperate efforts by Chancellor Heinrich Brüning to save the democratic republic by emergency decrees did not succeed in stemming the growing tide of unemployment. If you actually did some 'intelligent' reading instead of trying to lure readers into reading a book by Shirer (a religious bigot in his own right) then you may come off as sounding somewhat intelligent.

However, all your efforts in trying to make us look like the bad guy have obviously failed, and since the majority of Muslims in the 'holy land' are obviously quacks that cannot seem to build a decent nation to live in, I guess it is mandatory for them to blame anyone but themselves.

[Dan]

Bismillah

You are right.

That must be what you want to hear. Correct? Most people come here to at least try to learn about other people's perspectives. Some even go so far as to have an open mind. I would define what that is for you but you do not want to hear anything from me. Maybe you could discover what that is while in school?

Enjoy your stay here. In accordance with your wishes, I hope that nothing shakes you outside of your cozy little box in which you dwell.

Once again for the record so you can tell all of your friends, I admit you are right... about everything... no matter what... you will always be right... I guess now we no longer have anything to discuss.

Peace

[bent-alislam]

asalaam alla man etabaa alhuda:

ohh at last someone asked this question at last someone got up from the sleep...mr bro yes ppl hate you allover the world not only in in islamic countires evey wer they hate america..look to ur history u brought nothing but pain to other nations wether african ,asian , redindians, ...ohh americans ur still killing since history ohh god no doubt al nations hates u .....dont argue never argue coz ur hand is full with bloods ur history is bloody history...america is supporting isreal with money weapon and still using vito for isreal almost 300 times america raised the vito for isreal so isreal is doing wot ever she wont no one can judge her but always rememebr ther is a god who is watching so never blame any nation for struggeling they r defending them selves (palasteian)....the problem is with u american ppl u donno wot is ur country doing in the world and ur asking y they r threating us...open ur eyes widely n see wot ur country is doing and i hope u will stop her......

i know your still sleeping

[radiyah]

originaly posted by Hazam\"You attack me because deep down you know that I am right. The nations that run under the guise of Islam (which constitutes around 1.6 billion people) cannot even handle a few millions Jews.\"

Y do we have to handle the jews, y dont u handle them or europe?y that awful cancer disease in the arab and Islamic world? to fight Islam of course, to kill the last muslim there is, but u know what, they are gathering here because they are going to die here,every last bit of them, they know that, we know that, Allah said in their books and ours, but the problem with them they are always hiding the truth for their own bad needs, we don't, we do not fear anyone but Allah.

It truly seems that the majority of Muslims are truly brainwashed.

This one it is true, they are brainwashed with your so called bloody democracy. U know y muslims now are weak, because the majority lost their faith in Allah, because the majority are not true muslims. They are being brainwashed by the so called new civilisation, our girls lost their faith threw their veils, boys lost their jealousy over their sisters and mothers, but they will wake up again, and Islam will win at the end, and we will wait and see. And who told u that our rulers are muslims, they are muslims in name only, most of them are mercenaries and agents, and those who were not are threatened every now and then to invade.

However, all your efforts in trying to make us look like the bad guy have obviously failed, and since the majority of Muslims in the 'holy land' are obviously quacks that cannot seem to build a decent nation to live in, I guess it is mandatory for them to blame anyone but themselves.

who said it failed, everywhere in the world u r the bad guys, u r asleep ur governement is drugging u with wine and celebrities, wake up.

and those quacks u r talking about, their country has been torn from them by force, but wait and c, I pray to Allah to give u long life to c the end of the jews on the hand of those quacks and every muslim in this world.

wake up americans wake up.

Peace