Shaikh Ahmad Yaseen Killed by Israeli's After Fajer Today! ;(

[Muslimah]

Phat I must agree with u on something, right u r, Jihad must be done in the proper way, no killing of women and children. me and my sister were just discussing this last evening, we were saying we just wish they go ahead in a more constructive manner. They must target those who kill them, u r right not simply attacking restaurants and buses. But they are simply human and even mujahedeen can make mistakes. But in essense I agree no children or women should be killed.

Phat I started a new thread on imams and salaf for u go check it:)

[smdahmed]

Phat Monky:

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Till now i was keeping quiet on your replies.

First, I had nothing to comment on whether Shaikh Ahmed Yassin was right or wrong ? Allah SWT is the best judge. I leave all the affairs to him.

Second, in all my posts i was trying to put USA statement forth. Now so bothered if you are about your government, where are IRAQ WMDs ? Go and ask your govt about it first.

Third, when israeli army kills children why isnt there a protest against it.

So lets stop arguing on this and make this thread worse.

[phatmonky]

<i>Originally posted by smdahmed </i><b>Phat Monky:  </b>

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Till now i was keeping quiet on your replies.  

First, I had nothing to comment on whether Shaikh Ahmed Yassin was right or wrong ? Allah SWT is the best judge. I leave all the affairs to him.  

Second, in all my posts i was trying to put USA statement forth. Now so bothered if you are about your government, where are IRAQ WMDs ? Go and ask your govt about it first.

Third, when israeli army kills children why isnt there a protest against it.  

So lets stop arguing on this and make this thread worse.

Allah is the best judge, which is why I even further cannot understand why someone would hope for Allah to accept him.

I would be happy to discuss Iraq and WMD's, but this is not the thread for it.

I do not see protest when bombs go off on buses either - But regardless, if there were a post you would get sympathy for the victim. I wouldn't expect to sympathy for the one who causes the death of an innocent.

I'm not looking to 'argue'. We all agree that this was not the way to handle Yassin. What I do not understand is what makes someone think Yassin was any better than Sharon, and thus 'hope' for him to be sent to heaven? Every line of logic to justify either can be used to justify the other - and that does not make either one right.

[Last Breath]

I wouldn't expect to sympathy for the one who causes the death of an <b> innocent !!!!!</b>

innocent !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

who is the innocent ??

isreal people ??

look man ... we don't believe that isreal has the right to be.

it's like someone came to your house and invaded it, so we have the right to fight him.

I don't think that you would consider someone who invaded your country a civilian.

we know that this is our land, and whoever invades our land is our enemy.

there is no one innocent in Isreal..

every inch in that land is ours.

this is how we deal with this subject. :cool:

and we ask Allah to give Shiekh yassin the heaven because he was a good soldier.

I think this makes sense for anyone who loves his land.

so now, you shouldn't feel sympathy for isreal invadors who kicked <b>us - the innocent-</b> from <b>our</b> land.

Peace

[Ibn_kumuna]

Salaam Alaikum!

Personally-- I'm not surprised that such an event transpired. This is an on-going helix that will continue to circumvallate the Muslim world as long as we exist. I only pray that we Muslims (practicing or not) will come to our senses and consolidate--and put aside cultural, racial and sexual difference!

Ibn

[wel_mel]

salam....

[phatmonky]

<i>Originally posted by Last Breath </i><b>innocent !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</b>

who is the innocent ??  

isreal people ??

look man ... we don't believe that isreal has the right to be.

it's like someone came to your house and invaded it, so we have the right to fight him.

I don't think that you would consider someone who invaded your country a civilian.

we know that this is our land, and whoever invades our land is our enemy.

there is no one innocent in Isreal..

every inch in that land is ours.

this is how we deal with this subject. :cool:  

and we ask Allah to give Shiekh yassin the heaven because he was a good soldier.

I think this makes sense for anyone who loves his land.

so now, you shouldn't feel sympathy for isreal invadors who kicked us - the innocent-  from <b>our</b> land.

Peace  :D

There were jews in the area long before the balfour declaration, and league of nation/UN movements, or the '67 war.

So who is it exactly you are going to kick out?

And who's land is it?

Are you advocating the destruction and removal of Israel?

Are you proposing that the area be rid of all jews? (is it just jews that are the invaders?)

Answer this, and I will happily respond once I understand where you are coming from.

[Muslimah]

as salam a`alaman itab`alhoda

Phat I am sorry to bring this news to you, the reason we think or hope that Allah accepts Yassen. is simply because he is a muslim defening Islam

I must correct something here, we r fighting in the name of Allah, they are fighting in the name of Taghout. Probably u will ask what is Taghout = Devil. ok

so again it is not about land, it is about Allah's religion and Muslim land. What makes a killed one a martyre is his intention while fighting, that is why I said I supplicate to Allah since I can never know or judge anyone's intention.

If u fight in the name of Allah and only Allah, not to seek glory, or for oersonal credit then u r a martyre if u die. Other wise, u had your reward in this world (even if u r a muslim).

I think I posted something from a Jewish group before talking about how they dont have right to this land according to Tawarah. So better not to defend a concept that is even not accepted to its own people. I will look for this article again Insh aAllah

u have a good day Phat

May Allah shower Yaseen and each one who was killed in Allah's name with His mercy, turns his grave into a part of Jannah and illuminate his grave ameen

[Ibn_kumuna]

Salaam Alaikum!

Firstly, there is no doubt that Yassin had his hands buried in Palestinian terrorism. However, to fire a missile into a densely populated area? Just what was the IDF thinking? The plausibility of the missile hitting someone else is extremely high. Though, I should be more cognizant. Israel is notorious for firing missiles in heavily populated areas. Secondly, his (in my conceited opinion) assassination was adamantly outrageous. Does the IDF really believe that assassinating Sheikh Yassin would erode terrorism? If so, the IDF has their head stuck in the Negev sand dunes. His death will entice terrorism and lead to an “all-out” war against Israel. It’s like launching a stone at a hornets nest and being dumb enough to believe that one won’t get stung!

On my second point—the root of this whole fiasco is nationalism. Following in Zia Sardar’s footsteps, we as Muslims need to excel beyond “national state” rage. Both Palestinians and Israeli’s prop up rhetoric (Biblical and Quranic) to gain sympathy from those on the sidelines. Whether one is Jewish or Muslim, there is a whole world beyond the “national state”. It seems narrow-minded to believe that Islam revolves around this partisan battle that has no historical grounding. Palestinians need to shed off those linked and in partnership with terrorism and try accept the given situation that Jews are going to be there. Israel needs to jettison those illegal settlements, and accept Palestine for what it is: a Palestinian state. Of course, one might take this as the “perverse” way out. But to stymie our efforts into a battle that has its navel cord rooted in nationalist galore, only hurts the petal on Islam’s rose.

(The question needs to be begged: If Israel is “expanding” into its own territories (1967 war), then wouldn’t that would make the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Israeli citizens? That would entice the same rights as the Jews in Tel Aviv, Haifa and Jerusalem to Palestinians. Sadly to admit, that’s not the current sway of things in Israel (the West Bank/Gaza are not part of Israel but under contemporary military occupation; or apartheid principles if you like. And Palestinians are not treated like your “average” day Israeli citizen).)

[radiyah]

I will not talk much here, but I was wondering why are we all waiting for condemnation from America to Israeli's act,

America was built on the bodies of red Muslim indians, so here they are equal.

Second today I saw a program on tv, there was a pole going between the Israelis about palestine and the peace process, so they said no kill all palestenians every last one of them women and children. So when we hear that will we sympathize with any of the civilians, no of course not. And phat will never be convinced of our point of view because he does not c it from our point of view. yes it is wrong to kill civilians, wrong to kill children and women, but when one is put into the same situation the palestenians are in , well I wonder.

All I can say, that TERROR ignites TERROR. tooth for tooth eye for eye.

May Allah accept all the shuhada' who died for Allah, and he knows best.