The Islamic Ruling On The Permissibility Of Martyrdom Operations

[radiyah]

I did read your post and replied but I warn you, you are not going to like it.

Y, do u read charachters from far john, U should know I am a very patient person, and it is very hard to make me angry, and don't think I will give up, nope I am determined.:cool:

peace

[radiyah]

As far as embracing Islam, not in its current form. Maybe after reform.

Islam cannot be reformed, it is as it is, maybe u did not get the right Idea about it yet, we here have very little knowledge, we told u before we are not scholars, we try our best, if we fail to convey an Idea to any1 it is because of our weakness and not Islam, U need a scholar John really, u r the kind that needs a scholar, but don't think I will give up , I will keep trying till the day I die, this is how a muslim should be, never give up.:cool:

peace

[Muslimah]

To start with this thread is really getting off topic

And JohnDoe, it is good to hear u have an open mind in believing.

I will go to the thread I started about this

[radiyah]

Yes it can, all religions can be reformed and most have. It's just a matter of time.

WEll, Well, I c u ran away from the reformed christianity john didn't u ?? well y dont u produce a relegion by yourself that suits your needs, will this then be a true relegion.?

Anyways, we are runing out of topic here as Muslimah said, and this will be discussed in another thread.

Peaace

[Purgetroy]

you should understand what a true religion is John. or religion in general. religion realy is a set of laws and warnings from God (or gods) to man. a true religion is a set of laws sent by the true God to man. a reformed religion is a set of laws sent by God and later edited by man to fit his own desires.

which do you see best John? you want to follow your desires or the truth? remember that the truth isnt always like you like it to be. muslims are not allowed to drink alcohol, gamble or eat pork. these are a few restrictions from the top of my heads. the list could go on forever. but God, as the creator, He knows best of His creation than any of us.

the question that you should ask first is "what is it that I dont like about Islam?" and we will reply to that.

[radiyah]

This is getting out of topic guys, please start a new thread, and john wait for my answers on another thread.

take care

peace

[NaSra]

Asalamalaykum


Martyrdom operations or call it whatever you like, killing yourself be it even for the reason to kill your enemy is haram. I don't understand why we need a scholar to tell us that it is ok when Allah clearly says the opposite in the Quraan. Our loyalty should always be with our brothers in faith but when they are committing injustices against humanity on the grounds of what they call national jihad, we shouldn’t be patting their backs but correct their ways!. Also, how can we challenge, complain about Bush’s unjust war ,Zionists butchering palastinians etc, if we are not even prepared to acknowledge and condemn the wrongs of our own people. That’s more in line with Bush’s my way or U will be bombed strategy!


I bumped into this thread (I'm sure its quite old).

[Deen]

Asalamalaykum
Martyrdom operations or call it whatever you like, killing yourself be it even for the reason to kill your enemy is haram. I don't understand why we need a scholar to tell us that it is ok when Allah clearly says the opposite in the Quraan. Our loyalty should always be with our brothers in faith but when they are committing injustices against humanity on the grounds of what they call national jihad, we shouldn’t be patting their backs but correct their ways!. Also, how can we challenge, complain about Bush’s unjust war ,Zionists butchering palastinians etc, if we are not even prepared to acknowledge and condemn the wrongs of our own people. That’s more in line with Bush’s my way or U will be bombed strategy!


I bumped into this thread (I'm sure its quite old).

Wassalaam,


Try telling that to someone who sees their daughter walking to school and getting shot at by a sniper in the head or chest. And the soldier who empties his magazine/gun into the dead child (just to make sure she is "fully" dead).


Try telling that to a son who sees their father bleed to death in front of them and no ambulances are allowed to enter their neighbourhood.


Try telling that to the brother who witnesses the rape of his sister in his home.


Try telling that to the mother who is humiliated by being searched by soldiers.


The list is endless my sister/brother, as only those who live under it feel it...


As for it being halal or haram I am no alim and would like evidence for and against it.


So what you are saying is that the people who do these acts are destined for the hell fire? Please answer by yes or no.

[NaSra]

Wassalaam,
Try telling that to someone who sees their daughter walking to school and getting shot at by a sniper in the head or chest. And the soldier who empties his magazine/gun into the dead child (just to make sure she is "fully" dead).


Try telling that to a son who sees their father bleed to death in front of them and no ambulances are allowed to enter their neighbourhood.


Try telling that to the brother who witnesses the rape of his sister in his home.


Try telling that to the mother who is humiliated by being searched by soldiers.

Asalamalaykum Deen


Is that an ttempt to justify sucide bombings? if its so, it doen't cut it by a long shot. Life is tough for Palestinians but what in the world does that have to do with what is written in the Quran? how does it change right and wrong? Everyone suffers and dies, but does the suffering give people the right to go against God?

The list is endless my sister/brother, as only those who live under it feel it...
As for it being halal or haram I am no alim and would like evidence for and against it.


So what you are saying is that the people who do these acts are destined for the hell fire? Please answer by yes or no

I can't answer by yes or no, because I am not the one who destines one to hell or paradise, but I do know what Allah says in the Quraan and that is this:


<b>{And do not kill yourselves. Surely, Allaah is Most Merciful to you}, [soorah an-Nisaa., Aayah 29]. </b>


Islaam teaches that the aim of any attack should be to defeat the oppressor.


Forgiveness and mercy are etched within the very heart of Islaam, through-out its history.


Blowing one-self up for the murder of innocents can never be justified, and such acts should always be avoided. They shall yield no positive result.


Much better should be defeating the Army of the oppressor itself, and destroying its nuclear powerholds. Only then can we achieve true succour and true victory.


I have come to the conclusion that there is no evidence from Qur'an / Sunnah whatsoever that shows the permissibility of killing ones self in order to attack the enemy ........ or at least I have not seen that evidence. Feel free to provide me with the daleel that clearly justifies the killing of oneself by blowing yourself and also taking the lives of innocent civilians.

[Deen]

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if its so, it doen't cut it by a long shot. Life is tough for Palestinians but what in the world does that have to do with what is written in the Quran? how does it change right and wrong? Everyone suffers and dies, but does the suffering give people the right to go against God?




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As for it being halal or haram I am no alim and would like evidence for and against it.


So what you are saying is that the people who do these acts are destined for the hell fire? Please answer by yes or no

I can't answer by yes or no, because I am not the one who destines one to hell or paradise, but I do know what Allah says in the Quraan and that is this:


<b>{And do not kill yourselves. Surely, Allaah is Most Merciful to you}, [soorah an-Nisaa., Aayah 29]. </b>


Islaam teaches that the aim of any attack should be to defeat the oppressor.


Forgiveness and mercy are etched within the very heart of Islaam, through-out its history.


Blowing one-self up for the murder of innocents can never be justified, and such acts should always be avoided. They shall yield no positive result.


Much better should be defeating the Army of the oppressor itself, and destroying its nuclear powerholds. Only then can we achieve true succour and true victory.


I have come to the conclusion that there is no evidence from Qur'an / Sunnah whatsoever that shows the permissibility of killing ones self in order to attack the enemy ........ or at least I have not seen that evidence. Feel free to provide me with the daleel that clearly justifies the killing of oneself by blowing yourself and also taking the lives of innocent civilians.

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No it is not an attempt to justify bombings. Please read carefully what I wrote that I am no alim and would like a daleel! You obviously have missed the point of my previous post. My disagreement with you is not whether it is halal or haram, but the feelings we should have who are less fortunate than us rather than writing them off completely as "wrong doers"!


Would you go to Palestine and give them advice that what they are doing is haram? I doubt it.


It is annoying to see how easy it is to attack/condemn the brothers/sisters who are living in such a situation even though it might be haram! The problem with muslims is how appologetic they have become as if they need to appologise to the world at every moment!


Obviously you are not brave enough to say whether or not such acts would lead to hell fire. If anything is haram (such as suicide) then surely (generally speaking) the punishment is the fire. I am not talking about individual cases as to whom Allah SWT will forgive etc. I am talking about the concept itself i.e. the rule that suicide is haram.


See how easy it is to condemn but not have the courage to go all the way. If you are convinced of something being haram then stick with it! As for me, let me make it clear that I DO NOT KNOW THE DALEEL WHETHER IT IS ALLOWED OR NOT!


If you have any personal issues related to this topic then please let me know. We are here to help each other.

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