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[AlShamms]

Wael,


I don't know which translation you're using, but in all of the reliable versions that I use, there are no brackets. So just to be sure, I checked the interlinear Bible which is transliterated from the original Greek manuscripts, the words "as was supposed" are there without brackets. So they are not an insertion.


No Wael, my "denomination" is not "non-denominational" I have no denomination. Denomination is the spitting of one religion into subgroups, my faith is not a subgroup. I am a Christian, simple and plain. My worship comes from the Scripture itself, not from a man's traditions. It doesn't matter that not all who call themselves "non-denominational" agree, what matters is that they not follow the man made subgroups.


The issue with "which is the Holy Ghost" is the same as "as was supposed" they are both found in the original text. so it is not an interpolation as you would like to agree. Nice way to try to deny it though, sorry it doesn't hold up. The "need" as you put it, is to clearly explain to the reader what "Comforter" they should be looking for. Why you ask? Because many will come in Jesus' name (claiming to continue his message) but their hearts will be far from Him.. So he instructed his disciples what was to happen and what signs they should look for:


Matthew 24:5


(5) for many shall come in my name, saying, I am the Christ, and they shall lead many astray,


John 15:26


(26) But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall bear witness of me:


Shamms

[Muslimah]

Bismillah

John 15:26
(26) But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall bear witness of me:


Shamms

Shamms if I may ask, who is this comforter that is to be expected??


Who is going to send him, Jesus or the father??

[AlShamms]

Muslimah,


According to the Scriptures, the Comforter is the Holy Spirit.


John 14:26


(26) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Who will send the Holy Ghost? According to the Scriptures both the Father and Christ will. In the above verse we see the Father sends, in the below verse the Son sends:


John 15:26


(26) But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceeds from the Father, he shall testify of me:


When was this Holy Ghost sent? According to the Scriptures we read:


John 7:39


(39) But He was speaking here of the Spirit, Whom those who believed (trusted, had faith) in Him were afterward to receive. For the Spirit had not yet been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified (raised to honor).


According to the Scriptures the Holy Ghost would not be sent until after Jesus was raised to honor. Just before Jesus was raised to honor in Heaven, his parting words to his disciples were:


Acts 1:8-9


(8) But you shall receive power (ability, efficiency, and might) when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you shall be My witnesses in Jerusalem and all Judea and Samaria and to the ends (the very bounds) of the earth.


(9) And when He had said this, even as they were looking, He was caught up, and a cloud received and carried Him away out of their sight.


Now that Jesus was raised up, his disciples waited for the Comforter that Jesus promised he would send from the Father and on the day of Pentecost, the Comforter came:


Acts 2:1-4


(1) And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.


(2) And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.


(3) And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.


(4) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


Jesus' disciple Peter recognized this as the Comforter that was promised to them and spoke of it as such:


Acts 2:32-33


(32) This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.


(33) Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.


Shamms

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Thank you Shamms, thus, the father and Jesus are two different beings, but did they consult with each other before deciding when to send the Holy ghost? or did they make unilateral decisions separately??


If the holy ghost was sent after Jesus was raised to honor, who actually dictated the scriptures?

[AlShamms]

Muslimah,


As to your first question:

"but did they consult with each other before deciding when to send the Holy ghost? or did they make unilateral decisions separately??"

I cannot speculate, I can only tell you what the Scriptures say and where my faith resides:


John 14:16-17, 20


(16) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;


(17) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


(20) At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.


And your second question

"If the holy ghost was sent after Jesus was raised to honor, who actually dictated the scriptures?"

The scriptures were recorded by Jesus' disciples remembering everything He had taught them.


Shamms

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.


<b>'AlShamms' </b>

<b>I don't know which translation you're using, but in all of the reliable versions</b> that I use, there are no brackets. So just to be sure, I checked the interlinear Bible which is transliterated from the original Greek manuscripts, the words "as was supposed" are there without brackets. So they are not an insertion.

Here am quoting from different versions of the Bible where the words "<i>as was supposed</i>" are to be found in brackets (<b>meaning they are not to be found in the original text and so they are insertion by the translators</b>) so please tell me if all of them are unreliable. Thanks.


Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (<i>as was supposed</i>) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, (King James Version 1611
).


Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (<i>as was supposed</i>) the son of Joseph, the son of Heli, (The New King James Version
).


And Jesus himself, when he began [to teach], was about thirty years of age, being the son (<i>as was supposed</i>) of Joseph, the [son] of Heli, (The American Standard Version
).


Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (<i>as was supposed</i>) of Joseph, the son of Heli, (English Standard version
).


And Jesus Himself had become about thirty years of age, being (<i>as was supposed</i>) the son of Joseph, who was the son of Heli, (The Millennium Bible
)


Jesus was about thirty years old when he began his work. He was the son (<i>as was thought</i>) of Joseph son of Heli, (The New revised standard version
)


Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (<i>as was supposed</i>) of Joseph, the son of Heli, (Revised Standard Version RSV
).


(<b>please note</b>: scholars of the Bible said about this version (RSV) that it goes back to the <b>most ancient manuscripts</b>, and the revisers of this version said that the KJV has<b> grave defects</b>, and that these defects <b>are so many and so serious</b>, and so they've eliminated the word begotten, 1John 5:7, the ascension of Jesus, and many other parts of modern translations which they consider to be interpolated and fabricated.).


And Jesus himself was beginning about the age of thirty years: being (<i>as it was supposed</i>) the son of Joseph, who was of Heli, who was of Mathat, (Douay Rheims Bible/Roman Catholic version
).


Yeshua himself, when he began to teach, was about thirty years old, being the son (<i>as was supposed</i>) of Yosef, the son of Eli, (Hebrew Names Version of World English Bible
).


Jesus himself, when he began to teach, was about thirty years old, being the son (<i>as was supposed</i>) of Joseph, the son of Heli, (World English Bible
).


And Jesus at this time was about thirty years old, being the son (<i>as it seemed</i>) of Joseph, the son of Heli, (The Bible in Basic English
).


And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (<i>as was supposed</i>) the son of Joseph, who was [the son] of Heli, (The Webster Bible
),


Notes:


1- All the above quotations are from CrossWalk.com you may verify them as you wish.


2- I've also checked by myself the few versions that I've at home like the KJV 1611,RSC, RCV etc.


Please remember what you said about the KJV and the amplified Bible <b>that they are both equal in accuracy</b>, however in that particular verse the amplified Bible removed the brackets where the KJV (<i>which is older</i>) kept the words in brackets, anyway are the above versions (<b>all of them</b>) unreliable???

No Wael, my "denomination" is not "non-denominational" I have no denomination. Denomination is the spitting of one religion into subgroups, my faith is not a subgroup. I am a Christian, simple and plain. My worship comes from the Scripture itself, not from a man's traditions. It doesn't matter that not all who call themselves "non-denominational" agree, what matters is that they not follow the man made subgroups.

They are too saying the same thing, <i>"We are Christians, SIMPLE AND PLAIN</i>", what I understood from what you saying is that there is a difference between "<b>TRUE</b> Non denominational Churches" and Non denominational Churches that belong to a '<i>denomination</i>' hehehe that was funny but I was not trying to make a joke. The fact is that I've seen many Non Denominatioal Churches online who condemns and opposes the teachings of other Non denominational Churches and accusing them for misinterpreting the Bible, you see this game will never end, even if you claim to be a Bible follower simply because no one knows which Bible is accurate, and that is true, how will they ever know when the so called original do not exist???

The issue with "which is the Holy Ghost" is the same as "as was supposed" they are both found in the original text.

We have already established earlier that "as was supposed" was an insertion and addition, Unless you are saying that the above Bibles are all unreliable.

so it is not an interpolation as you would like to agree. Nice way to try to deny it though, sorry it doesn't hold up. The "need" as you put it, is to clearly explain to the reader what "Comforter" they should be looking for. Why you ask? Because many will come in Jesus' name (claiming to continue his message) but their hearts will be far from Him.. So he instructed his disciples what was to happen and what signs they should look for:

I was only using my mind ASshamms… Jesus told his disciples that he will send <b>ANOTHER</b> comforter, could you tell me if he was going to send them <b>ANOTHER,</b> then who was the <b>FIRST</b> comforter? Based on your answer we will insh a Allah continue our interesting discussion.


Salam


Wael.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah

Muslimah,
As to your first question:


I cannot speculate, I can only tell you what the Scriptures say and where my faith resides:


John 14:16-17, 20


(16) <b>And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter</b>, that he may abide with you forever;


(17) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


(20) At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.





From what I read here, Jesus blessing and peace be upon him describing himself as having no authority but rather the father has the authority, thus, he will pray to him.


Shamms, before I go on, who is exactly Jesus to you. Just in simply words pls. I mean what do you consider him to be. Again paraphrasing to make it to the point: what is your belief towards Jesus?


Simply and directly. Shamms

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Shamms, i m still waiting.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


I was still hoping for someone like reepi to give input here, specially that as far as I understand reepi follows a different denomination.

[reepicheep]

<b>Muslimah wrote: I was still hoping for someone like reepi to give input here</b>



There have been lots of topics within this thread. On what specifically would you like my input?