The Arabic Bible!!!

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.


<b>'AlShamms'</b>

Another story about sexual immorality? I'm beginning to wonder about yall. Yes, we know these stories are in the Bible, nothing new. Do we become obsessed with them? No, we don't. So why are you? To answer your question, this story would fall under reproof as we know incest is a sin. (Lev. 20:12) And instruct us how to be righteous by not engaging in such a sinful act.

You see in Genesis 38:7 <b>Er, because of his wickedness, God slew him</b>… that is reproof (<b>because of our wickedness we might be destroyed, that is the lesson to be taught</b>), <b>but what happened to Judah as a result of his sinful act???
</b> In fact the tribe of Judah was so blessed by God according to the Bible and Farez and Tamar (<b>the children of incest</b>) became the great grandfathers of “<i>your lord</i>” Jesus Christ!!! Is that a reproof or a reward from God???


Lot and his 2 daughters … <b>where is God’s punishment for that sinful act???</b>


Ezekiel 23??? <b>What the size of a donkey or the stuff of a horse have anything to do with reproof, correction, or guidance into righteousness?</b> Why details are necessary anyway??

Again, if you can't understand the metaphoric language then you'll always see it as "making love stories". This book would be classified as doctrine.

Ok, let me be more specific here, first of all here is the definition of ‘<b>doctrine</b>’ according to Oxford dictionary:


a set of beliefs or principles held and taught by a Church, political party, or other group



Now, let us quote the Song of Songs to see whether any of these words are considered to be <i>a set of belief</i> or if you have heard them <i>taught in your Church</i> before…


<i>"Your stature is like a palm tree, and your breasts are like its clusters. I said, 'I will climb the palm tree. I will take hold of its fruit stalks.' Oh may your breasts be like clusters of the vine and the fragrance of your breath like apples."
</i> Song of Solomon 7:7-8


Is that a doctrine?


By the way, the same style of writing is to be found in Proverbs and II Samuel.

Wael, again, this statement is based on your understanding of your god. It is not based on understanding of the Bible. So no, you cannot judge what you do not understand. If you had understood it, you would have known where to place the above verses you asked me about.

My God is out of competition Shamms, now we are discussing your Bible, which I’ve surely understood it, I am not that dumb, to me those stories and terms are so offensive with comparison of somebody giving me <i>dirt to eat but wrapping it nicely and calling it “cake”.</i>

If, as you say, this particular book is filled with, as you say, filthy language, then why would your god place the name of your prophet among such "filthy language"? And why would you, as a muslim, look to that verse, in that book (song of solomon) filled with filthy language as validation that the Bible mentions your prophet?

I don’t take the Bible as a validation or as evidence for the coming of Muhammad pbuh, I am very content with the Qur’an regarding his coming and his mission, now you may ban the entire book of SOS including 5:16 if you wish, and don’t call it God’s word, we will not care much.


Salam


Wael.

[AlShamms]

Peace....


See what I mean? Because you don't understand, you argue. Metaphors, idioms and similes are used throughout the Old Testament. I'm reminded of a question on of the companions of Jesus asked him:


Luke 8:9-10


(9) And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?


(10) And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.


So we can be done with the topic of Song of Songs and Ezekiel 23? It's firmly established that you don't feel it's appropriate language and I don't have a problem with it.


Shamms

[wel_mel_2]

Peace....
See what I mean? Because you don't understand, you argue. Metaphors, idioms and similes are used throughout the Old Testament. I'm reminded of a question on of the companions of Jesus asked him:


Luke 8:9-10


(9) And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?


(10) And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.


So we can be done with the topic of Song of Songs and Ezekiel 23? It's firmly established that you don't feel it's appropriate language and I don't have a problem with it.


Shamms

Its ok Shamms.


Salam


Wael.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


I see that reepi prefered not to answer my question, it sufficed to him/her (o I wasnt refering to you reepi when I spoke about a man who attacks the Messenger blessing and peace be upon him but rather an egyptian priest i meant), that shamms addresses the point. So do you agree with shamms, you too are ok with such language to be used by a divine entity in a book of worship regardless of the aim? I mean simply a divine entity can certainly achieve the aim whatever it is wihout resorting to such language which is suppoed to be a sin for using it? or it is ok to use such language and explicit writing style??

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah: Assalamo ALikum...


I just wanted to inform everyone that I've got my 1st complete Arabic Bible, from the house of Sheikh Ahmed Deedat in South Africa, May Allah have mercy on his soul, Ameen.


Thanks for your help.


Salam


Wael.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


O finally Wael Alhamdulelah. :hamdulila:

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom all


I thought of starting a new thread for my question, then I thought why not continue on posting it here, since we are all here.


And this will not be off topic Insh a Allah.


Reepi and Shamms, I will appreciate it if you explain to me how did the cross gain its sanctity? in other words, how did it end up that you cross your heart when you start praying???

[AlShamms]

Peace Muslimah...


"Making the sign of the cross" over the body is a Catholic practice and is not something all Christians do. It's like asking why do muslims beat themselves...when only the Shia engage in such practice. It is an innovation that has no place in Christian practice has its origins are rooted in pagan practices.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Alright Shamms, thank you for your reply, however, I live in Egypt as you probably know, I grew up with Coptic Nazarine who by the believe that Christinaity is rooted in the Orthodox sect and others are branches. I grew up sitting next to my Nazarine collequge who crosses her chest before start praying, the same thing they do before eating. I went to church services for her wedding and other occaisions, btw her husband is Greek Orthodos, I watched Evanglical services on TV. They all do the same.


Well, let me ask you another question, do you keep a cross in your house or do you wear one in a chain????


Thank you in advance.


May be reepi can give me input or I wish FHC can come, if any of you is in touch with her, pls call her.

[AlShamms]

Peace Muslimah,


Be that as it may, the fact remains the crossing of the body is an early innovation introduced into the church by those who are now known as catholics. As far as evangelical christians crossing themselves, I haven't seen any do that.


As for me wearing a cross or having crosses in my home, no I don't do either. The cross is a pagan symbol of execution and should not be an object of worship. It was made a sign of worship by the emperor Constantine who after a vision, commanded his army to paint the cross on their shields and with the expression "in hoc signo vinces" continued his campaign in civil war.