The Arabic Bible!!!

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah; Assalamo ALikum.


<b>'AlShamms' </b>

Yes Wael, we all know how MAN and WOMAN procreate. But how did God, according to your own book, place seed in Marayam's womb?
Qur'an 19:19-22 Pickthal Translation


(19) He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.


(20) She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste?


(21) He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained.


(22) And she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place.


As I do not speak Arabic, I will trust the knowledge of the translator to have accurately transcribe the above verses. As you can see Wael, and as you well know, Islam teaches in the conception of Isa without seed having been ejaculated into Marayam's womb.

<b>Where does the Qur'an say PLACE SEED IN MARY'S WOMB????</b>


Allah tells us regarding the <b>CREATION</b> of Jesus that it is as Adam's, He created him from dust then He said to him <b>BE </b>and he was… Placing seeds is actually a biblical term used when the daughters of Lot planned to COLLECT their father's seeds and so you know the story, they became pregnant by their own father, but Allah normally describe these issues in most sublime manner. Alhamdulelah.

When I say "We Christians" I mean every Christian who believes that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son....not hard to figure out

It is really easy to find out by going through different versions of the Bible to see that almost <b>ALL translations </b>have expunged the word Begotten from John 3:16… so you may tell us plainly that these BIBLES are corrupted and let us know with EVIDENCE that your version of the Bible is more accurate than what we read.

Wael, you cannot make Begotten mean something it does not. Begotten does not imply physical sexual intercourse, and anyone who uses the term in that way, is incorrect. If the Bible writers wanted to use Gennao to describe the conception and birth of Jesus, they could have...they did not. They used Monogenes which again means single, of its kind.

Of course the word begotten imply physical sexual intercourse, you may ask any English man and he will confirm what am saying, you may also brows through the internet to see that there is no such thing as BEGOTTEN in the <b>GREEK BIBLE </b>and that that this MONOGENES should not be translated as begotten, what you can't comprehend is that I am not accusing you for believing that Jesus was born as a result of any male intervention, I am only against the language which implies the physical relationship, if you just agree on this then we may proceed in our discussion, but if you insist that <b>BEGOTTEN</b> is the proper term, then you may also question other translators of your BIble as to why they've thrown out this word from the "<i>book of God</i>".

Wael, you ask if God cannot choose a proper word to describe his unique son. He did, it's Monogenes. I'm sorry if you object to the use of the term, but your objection alone does not invalidate the use of the term. Yes, Jehovah can, and did, make men his sons through faith in his only begotten Son Jesus Christ.

If the English Bible says that he is <b>UNIQUE</b>, them we don't have any objection, we believe that he was unique in his miracles, birth, ministry etc., and so was all prophets who came before him as well as Muhammad pbuh, but to say that he is begotten of GOD, then this is a very disrespectful quality to be attributed to God the Creator of all.

Wael, we mention the Hebrew name Yeshua because the Old Testament was written in that language and translated from that language into Greek. So you mentioning Aramaic is a non-issue. Yes, there were persons in the Old Testament who also were given the name Yeshua whom you say simply means "To Save" or "To Deliver"; my question is, who is doing the saving and delivering? Jehovah is.

The issue is that the name Jesus <b>does not mean JEHOVAH'S SALVATION </b>and so the name Jehovah is not to be found in the entire NT, that was my point of asking to show me a single verse where the name Jehovah is mentioned in the NT.


Salam


Wael.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


Shamms, you must have missed post #48, do you care pls to answer the question. I always wanted to ask you and others about your own opinion.

[AlShamms]

Peace....


Wael, then we can end this discussion here. Jesus Christ is unique because he is the only begotten Son of God. Object all you like, disagree all you like. The Bible writers were clear in their choosing of Monogenes to describe Christ.


Yeh'Shua does indeed mean Jehovah's Salvation Wael, in that you are incorrect.


-smile-

[AlShamms]

Shamms and reepi, did both of you read Song of the Songs? I guess you both seem to be well versed with the Bible and read it frequently, I assume yes? how do you rate this text? and BTW, I always wanted to ask Nazarines this question and find out the answer. So I will highly appreciate knowing your insight about it.

Peace....


Muslimah, what exactly are you asking me? What is it exactly that you would like to know?

[radiyah]

Peace....
Wael, then we can end this discussion here. Jesus Christ is unique because he is the only begotten Son of God. Object all you like, disagree all you like. The Bible writers were clear in their choosing of Monogenes to describe Christ.


Yeh'Shua does indeed mean Jehovah's Salvation Wael, in that you are incorrect.


-smile-

Bismillah


Okay if this is it, then why are you arguing Shamms ???? You and reepi keep turning around the bush you are not straight forward in your answers, you refuse to accept other bible versions, you refused to make Mubahala, (and I did not till now approve of your answer) then what is the point?????????? our forum is to help those who are seeking for answers about islam, you ask questions we answer, you are not satesfied, fine that is great, it is up to you. What you are trying to prove here will not convince us, we will not change our religion if this is what you are seeking for, so why dont u be straight forward and tell us exactly your purpose in being here??????????????? And I think Muslima's question is clear, isn't it ???


Peace

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Oo Shamms, was my question so difficult to understand, sorry, may be my bad English, I didnt phrase it well engough.


Let me try agains:


As I can see, you and reepi are quite well versed in the bible, you do read it frequently.


I m asking your and reepi's opinion, as readers of a book of worship, I assume you read it as part of worship and learning, <b>what is your opinion exactly about a text like</b>:


Song of the songs.


Ezekiel 23:20 (full chapter).


?


Again for more clarification:


How do you rate those two examples?

[AlShamms]

Bismillah
Okay if this is it, then why are you arguing Shamms ???? You and reepi keep turning around the bush you are not straight forward in your answers, you refuse to accept other bible versions, you refused to make Mubahala, (and I did not till now approve of your answer) then what is the point?????????? our forum is to help those who are seeking for answers about islam, you ask questions we answer, you are not satesfied, fine that is great, it is up to you. What you are trying to prove here will not convince us, we will not change our religion if this is what you are seeking for, so why dont u be straight forward and tell us exactly your purpose in being here??????????????? And I think Muslima's question is clear, isn't it ???


Peace

Peace.....


No one is arguing Radiyah. Questions were asked on both sides, and answered on both sides. Neither side is willing to accept the answers provided. So there's no need to take it further. Radiyah, you state what I am trying to prove won't work, then turn around and ask what my purpose is...which is it? Either you understand why I'm here and it will not convince you, or you do not understand and need me to explain my presence.


Since I know you don't know my heart and therefore my motivation for coming, I'll tell you. While I know I cannot teach a muslim their religion, the same is true for the Christian. You cannot teach me mine. So if you notice I hardly ever reply to posts outside the "Discussion of Beliefs" area. I understand you know your religion, but you do not know mine. So when subjects arise and Christianity is mentioned, I like to offer correct answers.


No, Muslimah's question was not clear. It's one thing to think you know what someone is asking, it's another to be sure. I asked for clarification for just that reason, and now that she has provided it, I'll address her question.


-smile-

[AlShamms]

Bismillah
Oo Shamms, was my question so difficult to understand, sorry, may be my bad English, I didnt phrase it well engough.


Let me try agains:


As I can see, you and reepi are quite well versed in the bible, you do read it frequently.


I m asking your and reepi's opinion, as readers of a book of worship, I assume you read it as part of worship and learning, <b>what is your opinion exactly about a text like</b>:


Song of the songs.


Ezekiel 23:20 (full chapter).


?


Again for more clarification:


How do you rate those two examples?

Peace....


Muslimah, this is what I think:


Song of Songs


A detailed relationship between Christ and his Church.


Ezekiel 23:20


In this chapter the idolatries of Israel and Judah are represented under the metaphor of two harlots, and their lewdness. These harlots are described by their descent; by the place and time in which they committed their whoredoms; by their names, and which are explained, Eze_23:1
,


the idolatries of Israel, or the ten tribes, under the name of Aholah, which they committed with the Assyrians, and which they continued from the Egyptians, of whom they had learned them, are exposed, Eze_23:5
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and their punishment for them is declared, Eze_23:9



then the idolatries of Judah, or the two tribes, under the name of Aholibah, are represented as greater than those of the ten tribes, Eze_23:11
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which they committed with the Assyrians, Eze_23:12
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with the Chaldeans and Babylonians, Eze_23:13



in imitation of the Egyptians, reviving former idolatries learnt of them, Eze_23:19
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wherefore they are threatened, that the Chaldeans, Babylonians, and Assyrians, should come against them, and spoil them, and carry them captive, Eze_23:22
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and the prophet is bid to declare the abominable sin of them both, Eze_23:36
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and to signify that they should be judged after the manner of adulteresses, should be stoned, and dispatched with swords, their sons and their daughters, and their houses burnt with fire; by which means their adulteries or idolatries should be made to cease, Eze_23:45

[SisterJennifer]

Peace.....
So when subjects arise and Christianity is mentioned, I like to offer correct answers.

Hi Shamms


That makes sense but at the same time I think it is incorrect to assume that you are able to answer for Christianity as a whole. This is because having been Christian myself, this faith consists of many groups believing and practicing many different things and one is not the same as the other. This is the problem about discussing Christianity, it has a very wide range. So the best you can reasonably expect to do, is answer for your own belief which may or may not jive with other Christian beliefs. I dont think it is possible to have a Christian 'spokesperson', at least not in the general sense.

[AlShamms]

Hi Shamms
That makes sense but at the same time I think it is incorrect to assume that you are able to answer for Christianity as a whole.

Peace....


Jennifer, I don't and I'll tell you why. The Bible gives us (Christians) what we need in order to preach the gospel accurately, positively and with results. The problem that you mentioned about Christianity being "wide" isn't from what the Bible teaches. That comes from men attempting to use the Bible to further their own ends.

This is because having been Christian myself, this faith consists of many groups believing and practicing many different things and one is not the same as the other. This is the problem about discussing Christianity, it has a very wide range.

If you don't mind my asking, when you considered yourself Christian, what denomination of Christianity did you practice? I'll address this issue further once you answer.

So the best you can reasonably expect to do, is answer for your own belief which may or may not jive with other Christian beliefs. I dont think it is possible to have a Christian 'spokesperson', at least not in the general sense.

LOL, I'm not trying to be a spokesperson per se, but what I am doing, by the Grace of God, is providing correct answers according to Scripture. The Bible tells us two things we must do:


2 Timothy 2:15


(15) <b>Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.</b>



We must study God's Word so that we can be mature spiritually enough to:


1 Peter 3:15


(15) <b>But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be prepared with a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;</b>



There is more I could say but I'll await your response.


Shamms