Do Christians, Jews and Sabians go to heaven?

[radiyah]

Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem


In The Name of Allah, Most Gracious Most Merciful, He is The only ONE worthy of worship, and only to him do we prostrate in humbleness, not to a statue or a cow, not to a person or tree or moon or sun or fire, there is no one or anything that is like Him, He is Unique in His onness, and He does not have a son or a wife. On the day of judgment, the whole universe, the seven earths and heavens will be folded in his Hand(of course He does not have a hand like us, but this is as mentioned in The Translation of The Holy Quran is a figurative description) This is Allah This is Islam, this is "THE TRUE FURQAN", the word Furqan comes from the arabic word <b>faraqa</b>
which means differentiate, the Furqan then means the differentiation between Truth and Falsehood. This is the true Islam and this what will save from eternity in hell.


Now regarding to what the Shiits told you, it is according to their own ijtihad or translation of The Holy Quran which with full respect to them is not a correct translation. According to Sunnah and ahadeeth that came to us translating The Holy Quran, and according to the true Arabic language and is rules and grammar, the translation is according to Ayah # 62 in Surat Al-Baqara:


Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:


<b> Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - <span style="color:#FF0000;">whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right
- surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. (62)</span></b>


See the underlined, whoever beleive in Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'la, not Jesus, not Moses, not Angels or anything else, so at the beginning Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala, stated and started with:


1- The beleivers in Allah and Muhammad(peace be upon him). Those are the muslims who believe in Allah, the day of Judgement and do right( they do not lie cheat steal or kill), and in our relegion there is a science called Aqeedah which means belief, The true Aqeeda is to beleive in no doubt in The the cornerstones of Eman which is:


1-To believe in Allah as one and only Creator of the universe.


2-To believe in the existence of the angels, because we do not see them, but Allah told us about them, so His word is the truth and we have to believe in it.


3-To believe in The Holy books of Moses and Jesus and David peace be upon them all.( and that is the true books not the changed ones.)


4-To believe in all the prophets.


5-To believe in the day of judgment.


6-To believe in the destiny, good and bad.


So The word believe here which means Eman has 6 conditions for full belief, if u do not believe in one of them then, your faith is not complete. So the basis of the Islamic belief, and a true believer is as Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala said in verse 285 from Surat Al-Baqara:


Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:


<b>The messenger believeth in that which hath been revealed unto him from his Lord and (so do) believers. Each one believeth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers - We make no distinction between any of His messengers - and they say: We hear, and we obey. (Grant us) Thy forgiveness, our Lord. Unto Thee is the journeying. (285)
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So as you see those are the true believers.


Now why in verse 62 did he mention the Jews and Christians and Sabians, if you read Surat Al-Baqra from begining to end you will find mostly how it is talking about the jews, and how they gave hard time to Prophet Moses peace be upon Him, and for those who did not beleive and gave hard time to the prophet will be damned in hell see verse 61 for example


Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:


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And when ye said: O Moses! We are weary of one kind of food; so call upon thy Lord for us that He bring forth for us of that which the earth groweth - of its herbs and its cucumbers and its corn and its lentils and its onions. He said: Would ye exchange that which is higher for that which is lower? Go down to settled country, thus ye shall get that which ye demand. And humiliation and wretchedness were stamped upon them and they were visited with wrath from Allah. That was because they disbelieved in Allah's revelations and slew the prophets wrongfully. That was for their disobedience and transgression. (61)





Ye here stands for Jews, so see in this ayah they are damned with wrath of Allah, those were the jews at the time of prophet Mosa peace be upon him who killed prophets and disbelieved in what Allah ordered them. But there were believers at his time and thosse are the ones that will not fear the hellfire.


2- Then Subhanahu wa Ta'ala mentioned the Jews, Christians and Sabians, in verse 62 that follows verse 61, to clear that this condemnation was not on all Jews at the time of Moses, or Jesus, or the Sabians before Islam- and the Arabs used to call those who leave the worship of statues as Sabians for leaving the belief of the ancestors, at that time before Islam was revealed, there were Arabs who believed in the oneness of Allah, according to the Ibrahim faith- and even those in the days of prophet Muhammad, and in our days, those who were Jews Christians and sabians, if they believed in the true Islam, and fulfilled The cornerstones of Eman as I mentioned above, then only then they will have no fear nor grieve.


So we do not take one Ayah, and take a random meaning of it and believe what other tell us without knowing the true meaning and denying other verses that say:


Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem


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They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers. (72) They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no God save the One God. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve. (73)


Surat Al-Ma'eda


So what do you think of these verses in The Holy Quran, how can we accept one verse and translate it according to our will and refuse others that frankly state those who live their whole life on that belief and die with it those are the ones condemned, but those who repent during their life and believe in Allah and prophet Muhammad(PBUH) as the last Messenger of Allah, then those are the true believers and those are the ones who will not face any grief or sadness.


So to be a true believer You must believe in the oneness of Allah and His attributes:


Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:


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He is Allah, than Whom there is no other God, the Sovereign Lord, the Holy One, Peace, the Keeper of Faith, the Guardian, the Majestic, the Compeller, the Superb. Glorified be Allah from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him). (23) He is Allah, the Creator, the Shaper out of naught, the Fashioner. His are the most beautiful names. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorifieth Him, and He is the Mighty, the Wise. (24) Surat Al-Hashr


So do u now understand who are the Jews, Christians and Sabians who will have no grief or sadness. If you find anything not clear, and you wish more explanation, do not hesitate ask, and I will reply by will of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala, if I was late in response, insha'Allah my brothers and sisters here will complete what I started.


Peace

[reepicheep]

<b>radiyah wrote: Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad)
, and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. Surah 2:62</b>


I see you are making up your own words and inserting them into the koran. In particular, I claim that the phrase "in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad" does not appear in the original Arabic version of the koran


If muslims are permitted to make additions and deletions to the koran (as you have done), then obviously they can make the koran mean whatever they want it to mean.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Reepi, you ve been long enough to understand that what Radiyah posted here is not HER OWN WORDS. She, me all of us muslism posters copy and past, when it comes to the translations of the meaning of Quran, again I stress translation of the meaning, from credible sites that we as native arabic speakers see that the translators got the meaning correctly. Having said that, I like to explain to you, that sometimes the translator in order to make the meaning more clear, further explains between brackets. However, none of us, dares to add or delet from the Arabic Quran, we dont need to make it mean what we want, because what the Quran came with is very satisfactory for us, we accept it and strive to live with it.


Try to focus on the original point of discussion which she wanted to help you understand reepi, dont waste your effort in driving away from the points, really this will help you much.

[reepicheep]

Christians believe that all a person need do to be saved is believe in the Triune God, and that Jesus died for our sins. No Christian would claim that it is also necessary to believe in (for example) Paul, John the Baptist, and Abraham.


Muslims, however, believe that it is not sufficient to believe in Allah? Muslims must also believe in Mohammad, John the Baptist, Noah, and all the other prophets? Aren't muslims, then, elevating belief in Noah to the same level as belief in Allah?

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Good point reepi, no a Muslim does not elevate any of the prophets and messengers blessing and peace be upon all of them to the worship level of Allah, I seek refuge to Allah from taking associates. A Muslim must believe in the Oneness of Allah and that Mohammad is His final messenger, much difference. <b>What we are required to believe is that all those prophets and messengers starting from Adam to Mohammad blessing and peace be upon all of them are sent by Allah of them with a book, those are the messengers, others just calling their people to the oneness of Allah.</b> Thus, the required belief is that they are all prophets and messengers, none of them is the son of Allah, neither is God's incarnate..etc. We must believe that they came to call for the worship of the only true diety worthy of worship, to teach us how to live and die in the name of Allah and for the sake of Allah, not to elevate them to the level of Allah.


Hope the point is clear.

[reepicheep]

Let's say a non-muslim man is on his deathbed, and speaks the following phrase (and believes it) before he dies:


<i><b>"Ashhadu an la ilaha illa 'llah"</b></i>


Muslims believe that this man died unsaved, since he failed to state he believed in Mohammad. Correct?

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Just to further clarify reepi, we are commanded to believe that all of them are prophets and messengers not to elevate them to Allah's level. However, Islam is about submitting to Allah, the only True Diety worthy to be worshiped.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah

Let's say a non-muslim man is on his deathbed, and speaks the following phrase (and believes it) before he dies:
<i><b>"Ashhadu an la ilaha illa 'llah"</b></i>


Muslims believe that this man died unsaved, since he failed to state he believed in Mohammad. Correct?

Sorry I made my other post before realising you put this one. No reepi, incorrect, he will still die as non muslim, a non believer, because that was on his deathbed. You have a chance to be rescued and believe in Allah as One and all Messengers and prophets before the stupors of death. Otherwise, it is too late.


You are starting to argue like Quranis, for this issue, pls refer to:


http://islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=1842

[reepicheep]

So, Muslimah, you admit that "believing in Allah" is not sufficient for a person to be saved. A person must also "believe in Mohammad" to be saved, or so you say.


By denying salvation to people who believe in Allah but don't believe in Mohammad, muslims are clearly elevating Mohammad to the level of Allah.

[wel_mel_2]

So, Muslimah, you admit that "believing in Allah" is not sufficient for a person to be saved. A person must also "believe in Mohammad" to be saved, or so you say.
By denying salvation to people who believe in Allah but don't believe in Mohammad, muslims are clearly elevating Mohammad to the level of Allah.

Muslims who believe in Allah, and don't believe in Jesus pbuh are also not going to be saved, it does not mean that we are elevating Jesus pbuh to the level of Allah.


Salam


Wael.