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Question I received from a new member
#1

Bismillah


as salam alykom


A new brother joined the board and he started his activity with sending me a PM and I replied his pm explaining the purpose of the board and what we do here.


His first participation, I m not sure why he didnt post it in the public, may be he is not familiar with the use, that is why I m trying to help him get familiar and also get the feedback he wants.


Here is what he sent me


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so great you have know me now,but muslima i dont know if i can get the real answer of this question from you,why are the rich arabian muslims degrading the black muslims by discriminating them?Allah said in the holy quran,muslim should marry muslima,but blackmuslim cant marry muslima from rich arab nations,are they not fellow muslim brothers and sisters and are all equal befor Allah subhana wata Allah?this keep bothering me since for about 13yrs now,pls dont misunderstand my question i just feel i will get the answers from you


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I understand he addressed the question to me, but I think this is a crucial topic that all of us must contribute to.

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#2

Thats a good question. Infact may I console this brother because even I have a grievance with rich Arabs from the gulf. DISCLAIMER all generalisations are false including this one but for the sake of argument ill make a few generalisations anyway.


I seem to find Arabs in general are quite racist (please don't ban me!), be it black or pakistani they seem to be equal opportunity discriminators. A black man marrying an arab woman!?!?!?!?! Try a Pakistani marrying an arab woman!?!?!?!?! Its ironic that most Pakistanis would kill to have an arab in their family. Arabs love to talk about pan-arabism and arab nationalism. They worship people like Gamal Abdel Nasser who managed a total of 6 days of resistance against Israel and dismiss Hizbollah who managed to throw Israel out of South Lebanon as a "persian conspiracy" simply because it is endorsed and backed by Iran.


Anyways RANT OVER.

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#3

Bismillah


as salam alykom


Karbala, unfortunately, when you attempted to address this crucial issue, you didnt do any better than those you are blaming. You based your reply on sectarian beliefs rather than Quran and Sunnah. This is not how we discuss serious issues. We should be more objective towards our lives and attitudes. You even made a comparison between two cases that cannt be compared just to bring up sectarian splits.


Any way, I hope we can get more objective replies here, and no I will not ban you Karbala.

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#4

Quote:DISCLAIMER all generalisations are false including this one but for the sake of argument ill make a few generalisations anyway.

Perhaps you missed my point. Everything I was saying was deliberately sensational. After all we have to make life slightly interesting :-p


Anyways the Arabs are a lovely nation, I admire many things about them including their language, food, manners, sense of honour and most of all generosity. Howver it cannot be denied that sometimes they come across as particularly arrogant. Im not bringing up sectarian beliefs. I was talking about arabs vs non arabs thats called nationalism. An example of arab nationalism going crazy is its attitude toward the "Persians". Muslimah I dont think you would deny that there is general dissent amongst arabs towards the persians, I have plenty of examples to choose from. However having said that, the same holds true for Persians who are equally racist toward arabs at times. Both positions are equally condemnable.


The question the brother posed was why a black man is not considered worthy of an arab woman. All I was saying was that the case was the same with a Pakistani man and an arab woman. While the opposite does not hold true. Why is this?

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#5

Quote:Howver it cannot be denied that sometimes they come across as particularly arrogant.

The root of racism I guess is pride.


But it seems that as far as marriage with blacks are concerned, this is not an issue for rich Arabs, many 'brown' peoples behave much the same, weather they be indo/pak, hispanic or whatever. It is very easy to find interracial marriage between whites and any of these, but marriage with blacks is much less common. And I have on many occasions heard peoples of color discussing or comparing the lightness of their skin and even corresponding how beautiful they consider a person to be in direct relation to it. Of course not all do that, but it is common.


I once heard all the diseases of the heart can be traced back to pride or envy. If we work to remove these from ourselves, we will see these attitudes disappear.

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#6

Bismillah


Of course Karbala, we can, and life is already interesting Alhamdulelah.


Any way regarding this issue, well unfortunately, Muslims are so much taken with their nationalism. Let me tell u something Karbala, I m Egyptian, for example, Egyptian women will hardly marry what we call Arabs (see we lable) who are from Gulf, Saudi..etc. Of course there are marriages, but the majority of Egyptian families do not approve it. I really dont like to talk this way, but will a Panjabi woman marry a Sindi? will a Kashmeri marry a Pushto...etc. It is the same Karbala all over. Even among the same race. It is the racial roots we suffer.




Quote:Perhaps you missed my point. Everything I was saying was deliberately sensational. After all we have to make life slightly interesting :-p
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#7

Quote:I really dont like to talk this way, but will a Panjabi woman marry a Sindi? will a Kashmeri marry a Pushto...etc

Actually there isnt much of a problem of intermarriage in Pakistan amongst ethnic groups. But I get your point. Racism is not something that is confined to Arabs. Infact as SisterJennifer rightly pointed out a pakistani woman marrying a black african man would be taboo. This REALLY annoys me, one would have thought the Islamic nattion would have moved past these stupid notions by now.

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#8

Bismillah


You got my point Karbala, it is actually heartaching to see the Muslim Ummah as such, we turned from taking Islam as our identity into flags, passports, borders and visas. Whereas the Messenger's salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam's instructions were very clear. If one that you approve his Deen and moral proposed to u, conclude his marriage, if you dont apply this, a major temptation is due. When Ali may Allah be pleased with him proposed to Fatima, he was very poor yet the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam didnt hesitate for a moment. This is his Sunnah, we abandoned it, and we are crying over Denmark's attitude, we should cry over ours first. Astaghferualla.

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#9

Bismillah


Assalamu alaikum


A good and short lecutre about 'Islam and racism' inshaAllah.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...duration:medium


Even a shorter one about 'Islam forbids rasicm'.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...7615921328

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#10

Bismillah


Jazaki Allah khairan Umm


Just to compliment this, since the issue combines between racism and marriage, here is another touching story about the criteria we should be following:


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http://www.qss.org/articles/julaybib/julaybib.html


Julaybib ® - A Short Biography


Julaybib ® - A Short Biography


His name was unusual and incomplete. Julaybib ® means "small grown". It is the diminutive form of the word "Jalbab". The name is an indication that Julaybib ® was small and short. More than that, he is described as being "damam" which means ugly, deformed, or of repulsive appearance.


Even more disturbing, for the society in which he lived, Julaybib's lineage was not known. There is no record of who his mother and father were, or to what tribe he belonged. This was considered a serious disability in his society. Julaybib ® could not expect any compassion, protection, or support from a society that placed a great deal of importance on family and tribal connections. In this regard, all that was known of him was that he was an Arab and that, as far as the new community of Islam was concerned, he was one of the Ansar.


He was shunned in his society. As an example, Abu Barzah, of the Aslam tribe, prohibited him from entering his home, and he told his wife:


"Do not let Julaybib ® enter among you. If he does, I shall certainly do something terrible to him."


Was there any hope for Julaybib ® to be treated with respect and consideration? Was there any hope for him to find emotional satisfaction as an individual and as a man? Was there any hope for him to enjoy the relationships which others take for granted? And in the new society emerging under the guidance of the Prophet (S), was he so insignificant as to be overlooked in the preoccupation with the great affairs of state and in the supreme issues of life and survival which constantly engaged the attention of the Prophet (S)?


Just as he was aware of the great issues of life and destiny, the Prophet (S), who is mercy for all humanity, was also aware of the needs and feelings of his most humble companions. With Julaybib ® in mind, the Prophet (S) went to one of the Ansar and said: I want to have your daughter married. "How wonderful and blessed, O Messenger of Allah, and what a delight to the eye (this would be)," replied the Ansari man with obvious joy and happiness. I do not want her for myself, added the Prophet (S). "Then for whom, O Messenger of Allah?" asked the man, obviously somewhat let down. For Julaybib , said the Prophet (S).


The Ansari must have been too shocked to give his own reaction so he replied: "I will consult with her mother." And off he went to his wife. "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah (T) bestow peace and blessings upon him, wants to have your daughter married", he told his wife. She was thrilled. "What a wonderful idea and what a delight to the eye (this would be)," she said. "He does not want to marry her himself, but he wants to marry her to Julaybib ®," he added. She was flabbergasted!


"To Julaybib? No, never to Julaybib! No, by the Living Allah, we shall not marry (her) to him." she protested.


As the Ansari was about to return to the Prophet (S) to inform him of what his wife had said, the daughter, who had heard her mother's protestations, asked: "Who has asked to marry me?"


Her mother told her of the Prophet's request to marry her to Julaybib ®. When she heard that the request had come from the Prophet (S), and that her mother was absolutely opposed to the idea, she was greatly perturbed and said:


"Do you refuse the request of the Messenger of Allah (T)? Send me to him, for he shall certainly not bring ruin to me."


This was the reply of a truly great person who had a clear understanding of what was required of her as a Muslim. What greater satisfaction and fulfillment can a Muslim find than in responding willingly to the requests and commands of the Messenger of Allah (T)! Truly, this companion of the Prophet (S), even though we do not know her name, set an example for all of us to obey the Quranic command:


Whenever Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, it is not for a believing man or woman to claim freedom of choice in so far as this matter is concerned. And he who disobeys Allah and His Messenger (S) has, most obviously, gone astray. [Al-Ahzab 33:36]


This was revealed in connection with the marriage of Zaynab bint Jahsh and Zayd bin Harithah, which was arranged by the Prophet (S) to show the egalitarian spirit of Islam. Zaynab, at first, was highly offended at the thought of marrying Zayd, a former slave, and refused to marry him. The Prophet (S) prevailed upon them both and they were married. The marriage however ended in divorce and Zaynab was eventually married to the Prophet (S) himself. It is said that the Ansari girl read the verse to her parents and said:


"I am satisfied, and submit myself to whatever Allah's Messenger (S) deems good for me."


The Prophet (S) heard of her reaction and prayed for her: O Lord, bestow good on her in abundance and make not her life one of toil and trouble.


It is said that among the Ansar, there was not a more eligible bride than her. She was married by the Prophet (S) to Julaybib ®, and they lived together until he was killed.


He went on an expedition with the Prophet (S), and an encounter with some mushrikin ensued. When the battle was over, the Prophet (S) asked his companions: Have you lost anyone? They named their relatives or close friends who were killed. Another group answered that they had lost no close relative whereupon the Prophet (S) said: But I have lost Julaybib. Search for him in the battlefield.


They searched and found him beside seven mushrikin whom he had struck before meeting his end. The Prophet (S) stood up and went to the spot where Julaybib ®, his short and deformed companion, lay. The Prophet of Allah stood over him and said: He killed seven and then was killed? This man is of me and I am of him.


He repeated this two or three times. The Prophet (S) then took him in his arms and it is said that he had no better bed besides the forearms of the Messenger of Allah. The Prophet (S) then dug for him a grave, and himself placed him in it. The Prophet of Allah did not wash him, for the one slain in the Way of Allah is not washed before burial.


Julaybib ® and his wife are not among the companions of the Prophet (S) whose deeds of obedience and valor are well known. The little that is known about them demonstrates how the meek and the humble were given hope and dignity by the Prophet (S) - where once there was only despair and self-debasement.


The attitude of the unknown and unnamed Ansari girl, who readily agreed to be the wife of a physically unattractive man, reflected a profound understanding of Islam. It reflected the effacement of personal desires and preferences, even when she could have counted on the support of her parents. It reflected a total disregard for social norms and pressures. It reflected, above all, a ready and unshakable confidence in the wisdom and authority of the Prophet (S) in submitting herself to whatever he deemed good. This is indeed the attitude of the true believer.


In Julaybib ®, there is the example of a person who was regarded as a social outcast because of his mere appearance. Given confidence by his faith in Allah, the Glorious, and encouragement by the noble Prophet (S), he was able to perform great acts of courage and was blessed by the most virtuous death a believer could ever hope for - death fighting in the Way of Allah, the Supreme. This led to the commendation which should be the desire of every believer: the commendation of the Prophet (S) of Allah: He is of me, and I am of him.

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