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12-30-2007, 11:40 AM
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Assalamu alaikum
About the Mut'ah marrige, now I don't know what the point 3 is suppose to mean that you refer to, but to my opinion I see Mut'ah today as some kind of prostitution. No offense - just how I see it. And I think the ahadith are clear that it was something temporary in the early days in Islam and then only during wartime - but was abandoned for all times to come after that.
Do you BTW approve of tafsir by Ibn Kathir?
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I m not trying to step in the way of my dear sisters, in fact I share the same questions specially that of Jennifer, but I will keep this comment till later. Now in order to help a reader, i want to sort of summarise the points here.
Main points to make a shia:
1. You say la ilaha ila Allah Mohamed Rasul Allah.
2. MOhamed is the final Messenger.
3. Nothing as such Ali may Allah be pleased with him was supposed to be the Messenger.
4. Quran is not distored.
5. Ali radiya Allah u anhu deserved khilafah after the messenger.
6. Believing in Khilafa and the Khalifa must be from Ahul bayt who are Masum.
7. Ahull bayt are the Messenger, Ali, fatima may Allah be pleased with all of them and their children only.
8. Wives of the Messenger are not from Ahul Bayt.
9. They have issues with Abu Bakr and Omar may Allah be pleased with them.
10. Reasons that Abu Bakr's khilafa is illegitimate and Omar introduced bidaa.
I think this is to sum it up.
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Karbala, me too I have a problem understanding item 3.
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The ahadith are not clear at all. infact I can safely argue that Muta' was never abrogated and is legitimate today.
Tafsir Ibn Kathir? It is a tafsir amongst many tafsirs which I use as a tool but don't completely rely on. Infact I have to say it ranks pretty low on my list.
From personal experience the majority of Muta' marriages are used in 4 cases.
1. Engagement period (clauses such as no sexual contact are normally added), it sort of serves as a trial period or familiarisation period to see if the man and woman get along.
2. Foreign Students in non-muslim lands who cant get married conventionally and are miles from their families.
3. Miscelleneous problems where two people need to become mahram to each other (again no sexual contact clauses normally added), e.g. Nurse carer-Patient, IVF and other embryo technologies which require a donor.
4. People who are too poor to get married conventionally.
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Muta' has often been compared to Prostitution, fornication and adultery. These are false comparisons. Everyone agrees that the Prophet(saw) at one point in time permitted Muta' for his followers, you arent suggesting that he allowed prostitution or adultery do you?
Perhaps it would be helpful if you told me why you consider Muta' marriage to be synonymous with Prostitution or adultery.
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as salam alykom Karbala, can you pls explain more about item 3 and how it is applied during engagement without a sexual clause. I m confused so that I just understand the process jazakum Allah khairan for your patience.
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Wasalam,
Muta for the purpose of engagement without sexual contact. Ive never done these things myself so I dont know exactly how it works. But I think at the time of the pronouncement certain conditions can be set such as the wife or husband can stipulate that there will be no sexual contact. This is common in some Shia' communities where the wife and husband are allowed a familiarisation period where they can see each other more without any sexual contact.
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Jazakum Allah khairan for clarifying this Karbala, till I continue more on this issue in particular and sum my other comments in general, let me give you 2 Ayahs:
Quran 2:236
And if you divorce them before you have touched (had a sexual relation with) them, and you have appointed unto them the bridal money, then pay half of that, unless they (the women) agree to forego it, or he (the husband), in whose hands is the marriage tie, agrees to forego and give her full appointed bridal money. And to forego and give (her the full bridal money) is nearer to piety. And do not forget liberality between yourselves. Truly, Allah is All-Seer of what you do.
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33:49
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا نَكَحْتُمُ الْمُؤْمِنَاتِ ثُمَّ طَلَّقْتُمُوهُنَّ مِن قَبْلِ أَن تَمَسُّوهُنَّ فَمَا لَكُمْ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِنْ عِدَّةٍ تَعْتَدُّونَهَا فَمَتِّعُوهُنَّ وَسَرِّحُوهُنَّ سَرَاحًا جَمِيلًا
O you who believe! When you marry believing women, and then divorce them before you have sexual intercourse with them, no 'Iddah [divorce prescribed period] have you to count in respect of them. So give them a present, and set them free i.e. divorce, in a handsome manner.
There isnt such thing as marriage without financial compensation, unless the woman gives it up.
Insh a Allah I will come to that later.
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BTW Karbala you seem to be unsure of the definition of Muta marriage. See the whole point that establishes a marriage is the legtimacy of having sex, thus, if this point is absent, you cannt call this marriage. It is a kind of engagement.
Mutaa marriage - as far as I know- has to be limited by time with a mutual consent between two parties, this is the major difference, of course the non inheritance is correct. As soon as this time limit is over, the marriage is automatically cancelled. See.
In Islam, there is a type of marriage called the Musafer's. When a person is travelling away from home, he proposes to a woman and explains to her that he is a stranger in the country and offers her marriage. They marry - with full aspects - when he has to go back home, she is given a choice to accompany him or divorce. Again divorce.
Insh aAllah i still have more.
