Trinity analogies.

[Hadji]

None of the verses you quoted state that God is everywhere explicitly.


Anyways, I have a couple of questions:


Does that mean that the Holy Spirit is "inside" everyone?


Does that mean that all three follow us into the washroom?


Does God also dwell in Satan?


You get the idea...

[reepicheep]

Muslims believe that Allah cannot enter washrooms???

[Hadji]

No fair, I asked first. =)


We believe that Allah (swt) can do anything, but we don't believe that He is omnipresent. Being omnipresent does <b>bound</b> Him to being in places like that.


Anyways, please don't answer my questions with a question. If you don't have an answer, there is no shame in just saying so.

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.

God also chose to become fully human and enter his creation (i.e., enter space and time). While "inside" His creation, He is limited by human weakness (i.e., like everyone else, he must follow the laws of space and time). So, during the time Jesus walked on Earth, He did not have infinite knowledge. But when outside of space and time, Jesus does have infinite knowledge.

So:


1- Was Jesus also called Jesus "when he was outside His creation" as FULLY GOD? <b>NO, therefore Jesus and God are not one and the same thing.</b>


2- Was Jesus called <b>Elohim or Jehovah </b> "when he becomes a human being"? <b>NO, therefore they are not the same thing.</b>


3- When God becomes a human being, did he possess all Godly qualities? <b>NO, CAN'T YOU SEE? they are not the same.</b>


4- Does God Almighty, need to become a human being to KNOW the weakness of his creation? <b>NO.</b>


So basically, since God Almighty does not know the weakness of human beings before becoming a human being, that proves to me at least, that from the beginning he was not all knowledgeable, otherwise he does not need to become human being in the first place to communicate with his creation.


I've written an article few days ago and i was actually saving it for <b>Fisher of Men</b> who started the whole "trinity analogies" idea, but it seems that he is gone now, so i would like to share it with you all.


<b>The Hindu Trinity.</b>



<b>Similar to the Christian one.</b>


I was observing one of the discussions between Muslims and Christians online, and I was shocked to discover another logical approach which totally disproves the whole dogma of Trinity as promoted by Christians.


Let us first understand that the Christians consider Hindus to be polytheists and that their religion is nothing but devil's innovation, they didn't know that Hindus too are believers in their own Trinity, that God Almighty <b>manifests Himself in THREE PERSONS </b> (<i>Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva</i>).


Isn't weird for Christians to oppose the Hindus beliefs of Trinity claiming that it is illogical, and yet they themselves believe in the same concept? <b>(i.e. Father, Son and Holy Ghost)</b>


In Christianity, they say that God is one in three (1 in 3), but I have actually understood it as <b>GOD IS THREE</b>. Anyway, to make it easier for all, let us do little exercise of Q&A as I've witnessed in an online discussion between a Muslim and Christian.


Muslim Q:
Does God have a Father?


Christian A:
No


Q:
Does Jesus Have a Father?


A:
Yes.


Q:
Do you believe that Jesus is God?


A:
YES.


<b>THEREFORE GOD HAS A FATHER…</b>


Christian:
hmmmmm…


Q:
Does God have a mother?


A:
No.


Q:
Does Jesus have a mother?


A:
Yes, as a human he has a mother.


Q:
Do you consider the HUMAN JESUS to be God?


A:
YES.


<b>THEREFORE, AGAIN GOD HAS A MOTHER, </b> unless some Christians (<i>Especially on this board</i>) would like to admit that the <b>"human Jesus is NOT GOD"</b> and so they should NOT worship him at all.


One more question remains.


Q:
Does God have a son?


A:
Yes.


So here we go, according to Christianity, <b>God is 3 not ONE as they are trying to promote</b>; not only that, <b>but God has a father, a mother and a son too,</b> same as what Hindus believe, that God has "<i>kids</i>" and relatives.


Salam


Wael.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


I m still waiting for those to whom i posed the question to come and discuss not disrespecting reepi.


Anyway just to continue.


Every Nazarine on this board or any other board is fed up with muslms not understanding how they worship only one and not three gods.


How can u be worshiping one god if the belief or part of the dogma is titled by u as trinity. I mean how many time FHC bangged her head because we cannt grasp the trinity, how many time CC attempted to help us understand the TRUNITY. Under which how can this be considered one???? any thoughts :conf06: :conf06: :conf06: If everyone is calling it trinity, if theolgy experts explain the trinity, then how can this be turned into one. They must be three to form a trinity???? are u getting this??????