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Quote:Bismillah


as salalm alykom brother


ameen to the first part and why the second brother, u think this is the proper approach to steer a healthy dialogue?


Yes, Absolutely! if you knew what i know You would understand... guidance or distruction.. what else is there after no guidance... See I'm clear on My deen -aqeedatan, Manhaaj- and Ibaadah... Yet one who is weak may listen to this deception nd be softened by it, than begin to accept the baatil.....I am not in need of debate or dialog with the opposers to the Pure Islam which Allah sent with His Noble Prophet... I'd rather dialog with a christian... because I know what they are about and they aren't trying to creep into Our deen and corrupt it. We Muslims should have some jelousy for the deen. too many have died so we could have it today.... Dialog is for the one who is not clear.... I'll look for the statements of the salaf as it relates to the mub'tadi'een and deviants of the past... They wouldn't even listen to their recitation of the Qur'an, for fear of their deviation..... And anyway <b>Ahlul Sunnah do NOT argue with Ahlul ahwa, or ahlul bid'ah. after the proofs have been brought... and we dont lower anyone except with daleel </b>


Happy dialoggin


As salaamu alaikum
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#22




Quote:2. The Imam must be appointed only by Allah(swt).
How is your Imam appointed only by Allah now since the Wahy has ended?

:bismillah:


Good questions.


Wahy concerning religious injunctions had indeed been completed with the Prophet of Mercy :saws2:


After the Holy Prophet it isnt possible for anyone to recieve Wahy concerning religious affairs.


<b>5:3 This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.</b>


We believe that the institution of Imamate and Leadership after the Holy Prophet :saws2: was not ignored in this revelation. The Imams were then chosen by Allah and communicated to the Ummah via the Holy Prophet :saws2: . We believe he mentioned very clearly who were to be leaders after him and these were direct commandments of Allah(swt).


<b>33:36 It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger.......</b>


<b>53:3 Nor doth he speak of (his own) desire.</b>


<b>53:4 It is naught save an inspiration that is inspired, </b>




Quote:3. The Imam must be Ma'sum or infallible.
By this, you mean without sin?

Yes.

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#23

:bismillah:


I promised i wouldnt get offended. Indeed there is no use for derogatory language like Rafidha, disfiguring faces. Nevertheless Brother Abdulwalee brought many points which I may address.




Quote:Which sect of the Shi'a are you from?

I belong to the Ithna Ashari which is the overwhelming majority of Shia found in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pak-Indo subcontinent, Persian and Arab Gulf and Some african countries like Nigeria.




Quote:Tuqya(Lying) is from the manhaj of the shi'a.

Taqiyyah or disimulation means concealing one's religion or faith due to fear, but in one's heart, the person must believe in the religion s/he is concealing. It is a necessary religious protection granted by Shariah to safeguard life, property and belief.


Consider the Following verses.


<b>3:28 Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah. except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.</b>


<b>16:106 Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.</b>


It should be clear that in certain circumstances Concealment or dissimulation may be required as way of precaution of compulsion. This in a nutshell is Taqiyyah. Here is an example from history.


<i>Narrated Ikrima bin Khalid: </i>


Ibn 'Umar said, "I went to Hafsa while water was dribbling from her twined braids. I said, 'The condition of the people is as you see, and no authority has been given to me.' Hafsa said, (to me), 'Go to them, and as they (i.e. the people) are waiting for you, and I am afraid your absence from them will produce division amongst them.' " So Hafsa did not leave Ibn 'Umar till we went to them. When the people differed. Muawiya addressed the people saying, "'If anybody wants to say anything in this matter of the Caliphate, he should show up and not conceal himself, for we are more rightful to be a Caliph than he and his father." On that, Habib bin Masalama said (to Ibn 'Umar), "Why don't you reply to him (i.e. Muawiya)?" 'Abdullah bin 'Umar said, "I untied my garment that was going round my back and legs while I was sitting and was about to say, 'He who fought against you and against your father for the sake of Islam, is more rightful to be a Caliph,' but I was afraid that my statement might produce differences amongst the people and cause bloodshed, and my statement might be interpreted not as I intended. (So I kept quiet) remembering what Allah has prepared in the Gardens of Paradise (for those who are patient and prefer the Hereafter to this worldly life)." Habib said, "You did what kept you safe and secure (i.e. you were wise in doing so)."


Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 434 cited in http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/h...ri/059.sbt.html.

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#24

:saws2:

Quote:((The best people are those living in my generation, then those coming after them, and then those coming after (the second generation).)), [saheeh al-Bukhaaree, 3/219]

Indeed there were many great personalities living during the generations of the Prophet of Mercy :saws2: . This however cannot be generalised to include every single person in those generations.




Quote:It's enough for a man to be astray who seek to justify finding fault with the best generation, Regardless of who he may be

When did I find fault with the "best generation". We find faults with the actions of certain individuals.




Quote:"The Prophet deputed me to lead the army of Dhat-as-salasil. I came to him and said, "Who is most beloved to you? He said, Aisha." I asked, Amoung the men? He said her father(meaning Abu Bakr) I said, Who than?" He said"Then Umar bin Al-Khattab" He then named other men.
Sahih al-Bukharee, hadeeth no.14, vol.5

Lets critically look a this Hadith. 2 Questions I will pose.


1. Was Aisha really the most beloved to The Holy Prophet :saws2: ?


2. Was AbuBakr and Umar ibn al-Khattab really more beloved to the Holy Prophet than Ali ibn Abi Talib ( :asalam: ).


1. Was Aisha really the most beloved to The Holy Prophet :saws2: ?


We believe Fatima to be higher in rank and piety.


<i> Narrated 'Aisha: </i>


Once Fatima came walking and her gait resembled the gait of the Prophet . The Prophet said, "Welcome, O my daughter!" Then he made her sit on his right or on his left side, and then he told her a secret and she started weeping. I asked her, "Why are you weeping?" He again told her a secret and she started laughing. I said, "I never saw happiness so near to sadness as I saw today." I asked her what the Prophet had told her. She said, "I would never disclose the secret of Allah's Apostle ." When the Prophet died, I asked her about it. She replied. "The Prophet said.) 'Every year Gabriel used to revise the Qur'an with me once only, but this year he has done so twice. I think this portends my death, and you will be the first of my family to follow me.' So I started weeping. Then he said. 'Don't you like to be the mistress of all the ladies of Paradise or the mistress of all the lady believers? So I laughed for that."


Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 819 cited in http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/h...ri/056.sbt.html


same hadiths recorded:


Sahih Muslim Book 031, Number 6004: <i>Fatima, are you not pleased that you should be at the head of the believing women or the head of this Umma?</i> cited in http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/h...im/031.smt.html


Sahih Muslim Book 031, Number 6005: <i>Arn't you pleased that you should be the sovereign amongst the believing women or the head of women of this Umma?</i> cited in http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/h...im/031.smt.html


<i>The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) drew four lines on the ground, then he said, "Do you know what this is?" We said, "Allaah and His Messenger know best." The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "The best of the women of Paradise are Khadeejah bint Khuwaylid, Faatimah bint Muhammad, Aasiyah bint Mazaahim the wife of Pharaoh, and Maryam bint ‘Imraan – may Allaah be pleased with them."</i>


Classed as saheeh by Muhammad Naasiruddeen al-Albaanee in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 1135


Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, 2663


A narration attributed to `Abd Allah ibn `Abbas reports:


<i>"The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: Four women are the mistress of the worlds: Mary, Asiya (the wife of Pharaoh), Khadija, and Fatimah. And the most excellent one among them in the world is Fatimah."</i>


Tafsir ibn Kathir under the tafsir of verse 3:42


Sunan al-Tirmidhi, v5, p702 3878


al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p157, (who said this tradition is authentic based on the criteria of two Shaikhs (al-Bukhari and Muslim);


Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v3, p135 2663


Also the Shia maintain that the most beloved wife to the Prophet :saws2: wasnt Aisha rather it was Khadija. To this affect history narrates that Aisha often felt jealous of Khadija:


<i>Narrated 'Aisha: </i>


I did not feel jealous of any of the wives of the Prophet as much as I did of Khadija though I did not see her,


Consider the following statement from http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/history/biogra...T_ABI_BAKR.html


<i>After Khadijah al-Kubra (the Great) and Fatimah az-Zahra (the Resplendent), Aishah as-Siddiqah (the one who affirms the Truth) is regarded as the best woman in Islam. </i>


So far the hadith in question seems to failing in this first regard.

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#25

Inna hamdullillah wa Salaatu wa Slaam ala rasoolullah


You've brought narrations and some proofs with the attempt to make some of the beliefs of the shi'a legitamate. But by this you mean falsehood. The matter is finished many of the people of the shi'a have come out openly explaining their beliefs. I live near Dearborn Michigan. I've heard most of these narrations, which seem to have truth on the side but really falsehood is it's goal.


al-Ithnaa 'Ashariyyah


They are the twelve sects from amongst the Raafidhah who claim the infallibility of their twelve imaams, who are: 'Alee ibn Abee Taalib, al-Hasan ibn 'Alee, al-Husayn ibn 'Alee, Faatimah bint Muhammad, Ja'far as-Saadiq, 'Alee ar-Ridhaa, al-Hasan al-'Askaree, Ahmad al-Baaqir, Moosaa al-Kaathim, Muhammad al-Jawaad, as-Sajaad.


And this sect claims that these twelve imaams have special qualities which no-one else has, such as their claim that they know about the unseen, and they know when they are to die, and they know that which has happened and that which shall happen - all of this is according to the most authentic of their books, namely: "al-Kaafee fil-Usool" of al-Kaleenee.


Khomeini has a book in which he mentions the excellence of the Imaams (Hassan and Hussein) of the family of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) over and above the Prophets and the Messengers (`alayhim as-salaam); (So) based upon this (statement of his) he is not a Muslim.


I spoke to a man in my local area, He said to me that he thinks the Iranian Rafidee state is the only true Islamic state on the Earth !!!??? I explained to him that he is completely wrong, Iran is not a Islamic state at all. I then explained to him that the Shia Rawafid have many heretical beliefs that are clearly major kufr. I cited some statements from the Book of the founder of this filthy state Ayatush Shaytan, the Kaafir Khomeini (May Allah's Curse be upon him), in his book(s) he makes takfir of all the sahaba with the exception of a few. And he says (something like):


"Our Imams (The Imams of the Rawafid) have reached such a station and rank, that makes them more superior to the Prophets.."


And:


"The Imams control All the atoms of the Universe..And they decide when they die...." (Shirk in Allah's Ruboobiyah!)


And many other similar disastrous statements. I told him these statements can be found in the Shaytan Khomeini's book: 'Hukmutal Islaamiyah' and similar statments of apostacy can be found in Usool ul Kaafi of another Shaytan and Kaafir al-Qulayni (May Allah's curse also be upon him).


The man was shocked and amazed, and asked me for proof that the kaafir al-Khomeini and the kaafir al-Qulayni actually say this. He asked me to produce the books of these heretics so he can have a look for himself. I spoke to imam Elahi a while ago and I'm looking for his statements to confirm what he said to me. about their beliefs regarding Our Mother Aisha.


<b>I also located a brief History of the Shi'a sect in it's inception:</b>


The religion of the Shiah was founded by a <b>Jew from Yemen called Abdullah bin Saba'.</b> This religion has started with the assassination of the rightly guided Khalifa Uthman and branched into many sections.


Khalifa Uthman ruled for twelve years. The first six years were marked by internal peace and tranquility, but during the second half of his caliphate a rebellion arose. The Jews and the Magians, taking advantage of dissatisfaction among the people, began conspiring against Khalifa Uthman and by publicly airing their complaints and grievances, gained so much sympathy that it became difficult to distinguish friend from foe.


It may seem surprising that a ruler of such vast territories, whose armies were matchless, was unable to deal with these rebels. If Khalifa Uthman had wished, the rebellion could have been crushed at the very moment it began. But he was reluctant to be the first to shed the blood of Muslims (especially Sahâbah), however rebellious they might be. No one would ever expected what happened later. He preferred to reason with them, to persuade them with kindness and generosity. He well remembered hearing the Prophet Muhammad say, "Once the sword is unsheathed among my followers, it will not be sheathed until the Last Day."


The rebels demanded that he abdicate and some of the Companions advised him to do so. He would gladly have followed this course of action, but again he was bound by a solemn pledge he had given to the Prophet. "Perhaps God will clothe you with a shirt, Uthman" the Prophet had told him once, "and if the people want you to take it off, do not take it off for them." Khalifa Uthman said to a well-wisher on a day when his house was surrounded by the rebels, "God's Messenger made a covenant with me and I shall show endurance in adhering to it."


After a long siege, the rebels broke into Khalifa Uthman 's house and murdered him. When the first assassin's sword struck Khalifa Uthman , he was reciting the verse: "Verily, God sufficeth thee; He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing" [2:137]


Ali accepted the caliphate very reluctantly. Uthman's murder and the events surrounding it were a symptom, and also became a cause, of civil strife on a large scale. All governors gave the pledge to Ali except Mu'awiyah , the governor of Sham (Great Syria). Mu'awiyah declined to obey until Uthman's blood was avenged. His decision was based on the fact that he is not required to obey the Caliph until he (Ali ) is able to enforce the rule of Allaah. Mu'awiyah was the cuisine of 'Uthman , so he was the responsible of asking Ali to bring the murderers to trial. The Prophet's widow Aaishah also took the position that Ali should first bring the murderers to trial. Due to the chaotic conditions during the last days of Khalifah Uthman it was very difficult to establish the identity of the murderers, and Ali refused to punish anyone whose guilt was not lawfully proved.


The pretext for the meeting of the armies on the day of the Camel and the day of Siffin was the demand for `Uthman's killers on the part of `Aaishah and Mu'awiyah , but the winds of war were fanned by the followers of Abdullah bin Saba' the Jew, from inside all three camps until events escaped the control of the Companions. It is related that `Ali, `Aaishah , and Mu'awiyah often expressed astonishment at the dissension and opposition that surrounded them.


After that some Shia declared Ali as a god. He then burned them alive with fire. After the killing of Abdullah bin Saba', Shia were divided into many new sects. Each one has its own Imaam.


The Seveners or Isma'ilis, like all Shiites, believe that the descendants of Muhammad , through his daughter Fatima and her husband Ali the fourth Caliph, are the rightful rulers of the Muslim world. Thus the descendants of Ali are considered infallible and as divinely guided as Muhammad himself. This sect derives its name from Isma'il, the eldest son of the sixth Imam, Jafar as-Sadiq. In 762 CE, Isma'il died before his father, which resulted in bitter disputes of succession. The minority of Shiites regarded the old line of Imams extinct and chose Isma'il's eldest son as the new Imam. Thus they proclaimed a cycle of seven Imams, Ali being the first and Isma'il the seventh, and thus the seventh Imaam after his line of Imams would be the Mahdi, or Messiah, or the seventh after him, etc..


The Isma'ilis have usually been small in numbers, but well organised and disciplined. Soon they developed into a cult, borrowing various ideas from Jewish mysticism, Greek philosophy, Babylonian astrology, Christian Gnosticism, etc.., When secular sciences were being employed in the Abbasid Empire, the Isma'ilis were thriving, and managed to recruit a large number of followers, who formed a well organised guerrilla army. By combining their scholarly skills and extraordinary underground network of spies, the Isma'ilis established their anti-Caliph in Egypt during the 10th century. They named his dynasty after Muhammad's daughter, and thus the name Fatimids emerged. In reality they are the dynasty of a Jew called Abdullah bin Qaddah, and that was they were called Abidi too. The Abidi State in Egypt quickly expanded and soon the Isma'ilis controlled western Syria and a large part of North Africa, killing thousands of Muslims. They also built a new capital, Fustat, near the ancient Pyramids, which in a few centuries grew to be the largest city in the Muslim world, under the name of Cairo.


When the Abidi dynasty was destroyed by the Abbasids, the Isma'ilis split into two sub-sects, Tayibiya and Niziriya, named after two Abidi princes. The former sect was soon transformed into a esoteric cult, which moved its activities underground and became invisible. The Niziriya sect transformed itself back into the pre-Abidi Isma'ilism, developing a network of agents and spies all over the Muslim world. The best known organization within the Niziriya was probably the drug-abusing Assassin sect, notorious for assassinations all over the Muslim world. Today, however, the Niziriya sect has turned pacifist and increasingly Westernized.


Out of the Assassin stronghold in Syria, two heterodox sub-sects have survived, the Alawite and the Druze. The Alawite sect is militant and combines radical theories from both Isma'il and Ithna Shia. The Druzes, on the other hand, have until more recently been more pacifistic, waiting for the return of their Mahdi, the psychotic Abidi Caliph al-Hakim, who 'disappeared' when he burned down his capital around 1000 CE. In the 13th century the Druzes closed their sect, and became a distinct tribe or nation. They serve today in the Israeli army against Palestinian Muslims.


The largest sect within Shia is the Ithna or Twelver, which follows the original line of Imams. When the Seveners chose the son of Isma'il to become the Imam, the majority of Shiites chose Isma'ils younger brother, Muza al-Kazim, as the seventh Imam. The Ithna adopt their 'Twelver' name from their belief in the twelfth Imam, Muhammad ibn al-Askari, who 'disappeared' one day and thus became the hidden Mahdi who would return to earth at the end of days. The 'Twelvers' worship their Imams, sometimes as the incarnation of Ali or Hussain. They form the vast majority of Shiites, including most Iranians and almost 50% of the Iraqi nation.


The third largest body in Shia is the Zaydi sect or the Fivers, prevailing in Yemen and among some Bedouin tribes in Saudi-Arabia. The Zaydi sect is more or less the deification of the 7th century Arabian culture, and it fiercely denounces the semi-divinity of Imams, contrary to the Twelvers. Their founder was the fifth Imam, Zayd ibn Abidin, who was a rationalist and thus denounced his alleged divinity. The Zaydi Imams are more like Bedouin sheikhs than divine authorities, and thus reject hereditary leadership, and are only visible during warfare.


There are said to be more than 70 small Shia sects all around the world. Probably the best example of these was the Bahai sect, which has been persecuted and refuted as anti-Islamic, but grows fast as a separate religion, basing its doctrines on 'world peace and harmony' and the unity of all religions. The center of the Bahai sect is in Israel !!!

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Quote:You've brought narrations and some proofs with the attempt to make some of the beliefs of the shi'a legitamate. But by this you mean falsehood.
I've heard most of these narrations, which seem to have truth on the side but really falsehood is it's goal.

If you doubt my research then counter with evidence. You admit it seems to have truth on its side, if it is really falsehood then prove it!


Here are some statisitics from your last post:


References: 0


Citations: 0


sources: 0


It makes it really hard to verify your claims about us if you dont even provide sources for your information. If you were in University you would have been kicked out for plagurism.


If I can be bothered I might reply to some of your claims. but until you provide accurate references I dont feel obliged.

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#27

Quote:1. Was Aisha really the most beloved to The Holy Prophet :saws2: ?
We believe Fatima to be higher in rank and piety.
<b>Then there is another narration which states" Aisha compaired to the rest of the women is like an-tharid(a type of meat) over other types of food" and Allah knows best as to the correctness of the narration I quoted. And fatima is also meritous as the leader of the women in paradise.</b>
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If you doubt my research then counter with evidence. You admit it seems to have truth on its side, if it is really falsehood then prove it!


Here are some statisitics from your last post:


References: 0


Citations: 0


sources: 0


It makes it really hard to verify your claims about us if you dont even provide sources for your information. If you were in University you would have been kicked out for plagurism.


If I can be bothered I might reply to some of your claims. but until you provide accurate references I dont feel obliged.

<b>It's Not our way to go back and forth with the deviants and people of desires as if the text of Qur'an and Sunnah contradict each other, NO they dont so NO I wont go back an forth with you. It is enought that you try to find evidence to make your hertical beliefs correct. The proof is on the claimant. I only need what was persented to refute you and The Statement of the Prophet Muhammad said"Do Not curse My sahaabas" till the end of the narrations.. And it is clear that the deviant festivals of the shi'a where they kill sheep and call it Aisha, and Abu bakr and Umar.(may Allah have mercy on all of them) No jidaal or debate with you. Just presenting the proofs against the group Shi'a.... You're just a blind follower who came later..... </b> Most of you people borrow your kalaam from the greeks and philosephers Thats why Iran is the way it is today. In disaray patering themselves after the Jews. which is the founder of their sect. The Persians! their history is also known... so good day to you. <b>because I dont even give salaams to the shi'a </b>

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Quote:Just presenting the proofs against the group Shi'a.... You're just a blind follower who came later

What proofs? All ive seen is rambling. This may shock you but I used to be a follower of the School of Ahl Al-Sunnah. Most of my family are Sunnis. i have never had a problem most of my friends are sunnis they welcome me with open arms, I pray in their mosques shoulder to shoulder with them. My flatmates are all sunnis. I am honoured to be a part of an Ummah that includes such gems of Ahl Al-Sunnah Scholars like Ahmad Deedat, Zakir Naik, Hamza Yusuf Imam Abu Musa etc etc.Never in my life have I ever seen anyone say something along the lines of......

Quote:I dont even give salaams to the shi'a
. Islam doesnt claim to be sectarian unfortunately its people like us that make it so.


Quote:deviant festivals of the shi'a where they kill sheep and call it Aisha, and Abu bakr and Umar.

You are joking right? That sounds more like a barbaric festival. I have never seen ANY SHIA do that and certainly no Ulema would endorse it.




Quote:I only need what was persented to refute you

You presented made up stories, fabrications and plain lies. Furthermore you didnt even provide sources for what you say.




Quote:The Statement of the Prophet Muhammad said"Do Not curse My sahaabas" till the end of the narrations..

Source, reference? Only once you properly state your evidence can we discuss this?




Quote:as if the text of Qur'an and Sunnah contradict each other

They dont but our interpretation may do. Fallible beings quoting what they think is the Prophet's words may also contradict each other.




Quote:No jidaal or debate with you

No problem I would have hoped we could discuss this more but if thats the way you feel what more can I do? :wasalam:

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Quote:What proofs? All ive seen is rambling. This may shock you but I used to be a follower of the School of Ahl Al-Sunnah. Most of my family are Sunnis. i have never had a problem most of my friends are sunnis they welcome me with open arms, I pray in their mosques shoulder to shoulder with them. My flatmates are all sunnis. I am honoured to be a part of an Ummah that includes such gems of Ahl Al-Sunnah Scholars like Ahmad Deedat, Zakir Naik, Hamza Yusuf Imam Abu Musa etc etc.Never in my life have I ever seen anyone say something along the lines of....... Islam doesnt claim to be sectarian unfortunately its people like us that make it so.


You are joking right? That sounds more like a barbaric festival. I have never seen ANY SHIA do that and certainly no Ulema would endorse it.


You presented made up stories, fabrications and plain lies. Furthermore you didnt even provide sources for what you say.


Source, reference? Only once you properly state your evidence can we discuss this?


They dont but our interpretation may do. Fallible beings quoting what they think is the Prophet's words may also contradict each other.


No problem I would have hoped we could discuss this more but if thats the way you feel what more can I do? :wasalam:

<b>Na'am.. Thanx</b>


Know that there has never been any heresy except from the ignorant rabble who follow anyone who calls out wildly. They bend with every wind that blows, so anyone who is like that has no religion. Allah, the Blessed and Most High, says:


They did not differ until after the knowledge came to them, through envy amongst themselves [1].


Those to whom (the Scripture) was given only differed concerning it after clear proofs had come to them through hatred to one another [2].


They are the evil scholars, those greedy (for this world) and who are the innovators.


[1] Soorah al-Jaathiyah (45): 17


[2] Soorah al-Baqarah (2): 213

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