Jamaa`at ut-Tabligh

[Suhail]

Do you know how to read and understand arabic?

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom respected brothers


Suhail, let me get someting straight, because I got some how confused. Was your post #3 sort of a dialogue between two people one of them trying to explain what are the goals of the Jama` are? And did i understand correctly that they cut off the part of enjoining good and forbiding evil of their methodolgy?


If u can pls explain..jazakum Allah khairan.

[abdulwalee]

Do you know how to read and understand arabic?

<b> I do ok... But Not proficient</b> enough to read the Book of Allah, but Not free from mistakes... I could use some help... Are you offering?


If so I live in Detroit, Michigan,(the headquarters for the Tableghees...)in America , and you have MY NUMBER, yES? What did you think of the Begining post? be Honest.


<b>Salams</b>

[Suhail]

Bismillah


as salam alykom respected brothers


Suhail, let me get someting straight, because I got some how confused. Was your post #3 sort of a dialogue between two people one of them trying to explain what are the goals of the Jama` are? And did i understand correctly that they cut off the part of enjoining good and forbiding evil of their methodolgy?


If u can pls explain..jazakum Allah khairan.

Nope you have got urself confused , the dialogue was nothing to do with the goals of the jamat , enjoining good and forbiding evil is the main purpose of the jamaat

[Suhail]

<b> I do ok... But Not proficient</b> enough to read the Book of Allah, but Not free from mistakes... I could use some help... Are you offering?


If so I live in Detroit, Michigan,(the headquarters for the Tableghees...)in America , and you have MY NUMBER, yES? What did you think of the Begining post? be Honest.


<b>Salams</b>

Assalamualaikum


To be honest you are not the first person i have come acrossdebating about this topic , i debate with many people like yourself everyday at uni, i could go really in depth into the way you think and attack it if i wanted , to be honest it would take me hours to make you realise that what we do is not bidaa or innovative or against sunnat , and i would end up convincing you , but in this internet setup it takes to much time to reply debate etc, to be honest i am what u call a very active tableeghi and if u have met some in detroit (i have met loads who come to desbury) then you wold realise if u talked to them that what we do is not "evil" or bidaa and that it has changed many lives across many countries around the world and fortunetely i am blessed by allah with alot of knowledge and i have met many like yourself , and most of them have agreed with me. Any way i got a long law essay to hand in tomorrow so we will leave this topic to rest as we are ot going to get anywhere

[abdulwalee]

Assalamualaikum


To be honest you are not the first person i have come acrossdebating about this topic , i debate with many people like yourself everyday at uni, i could go really in depth into the way you think and attack it if i wanted , to be honest it would take me hours to make you realise that what we do is not bidaa or innovative or against sunnat , and i would end up convincing you , but in this internet setup it takes to much time to reply debate etc, to be honest i am what u call a very active tableeghi and if u have met some in detroit (i have met loads who come to desbury) then you wold realise if u talked to them that what we do is not "evil" or bidaa and that it has changed many lives across many countries around the world and fortunetely i am blessed by allah with alot of knowledge and i have met many like yourself , and most of them have agreed with me. Any way i got a long law essay to hand in tomorrow so we will leave this topic to rest as we are ot going to get anywhere

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Wa laikum salaam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakathu. it is not permissable for me to argue with you I'll leave you with the final Fataawa of the noble Shaikh .


<b>The final fatwa of Shaykh 'Abdul-'Azeez ibn Baaz warning against the Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh</b>*Please appropriately reference this fatwa to: www.fatwa-online.com, thankyou!*


Question: Your excellency, we hear about the Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh and that which their da'wah entails. So would you advise me to join this Jamaa'ah. I anticipate your guidance and advice, and may Allaah reward you immensely.


Response: Whoever invites to (the path of) Allaah, then he is a muballigh (one who conveys the message (of Islaam)), (as the hadeeth mentions):


((Convey from me, even if it be a (single) Aayah));


However, the Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh (originally) from India have many deviations. They have some aspects of bid`ah and shirk, so it is not permissible to go (out) with them, except for a person who has knowledge and goes (out) with them to disapprove of what they are upon and to teach them (the truth). If, however, he goes (out) to follow and adhere to them, then no.


That is because they have deviations, mistakes and lack of knowledge. However, if there was a Jamaa'ah doing tableegh other than them, from the people of knowledge, then (it is permissible to) go out with them for daw'ah purposes.


If there was a person of knowledge who goes out with them to enlighten and guide them, along with teaching them such that they leave their falsehood and embrace the way of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah, (then that is good).


This fatwa was extracted from the tape: 'Fatwa Samaahatush-Shaykh 'Abdul 'Azeez Ibn Baaz concerning the Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh' which was published in Ta'if about two years before the Shaykh's death. The tape refutes the cover-up of the Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh and the old statement of the Shaykh which was published before their reality and manhaj was made clear to him.


<b>An Extra Bonus for the seekers of The truth</b>


<b> Fatwa of Shaykh Saalih Ibn Fowzaan regarding the Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh</b>


*<b>Please appropriately reference this fatwa to: www.fatwa-online.com, thankyou!*</b>



<b>Question:
</b> What is your opinion concerning those who travel outside the Kingdom to give da'wah whilst they have never studied/sought knowledge. They encourage this and make odd statements firmly believing that whoever goes out in the path of Allaah for da'wah then Allaah will assist them with "inspirations/revelations" and they also believe that having knowledge is not a condition to do so.



And you know that one who travels outside the Kingdom will find differing madhhaahib and religions/sects with questions which shall be posed to the one giving da'wah.



Is it not your opinion, O Shaykh, regarding the one who travels (outside the Kingdom) in the path of Allaah, that he should be appropriately equipped so that he can face the people, and especially in East Asia where they are actively against the da'wah of Shaykh Muhammed Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhaab? I request an answer to my question such that benefit can be gained.



Response: Going out in the path of Allaah is not the sort of going out which is implied today. Going out in the path of Allaah (really means) going out for war. As for that which they call going out nowadays, then this is an innovation which is not mentioned on the authority of any of the Pious Predecessors.



And going out calling to Allaah is not specific to any particular day(s) rather one should call to Allaah according to circumstances and abilities, without specifying a group (with which to go out with) nor 40 days or more or less.



And similarly from that which is obligatory upon the caller is to have knowledge. It is not permissible to call to Allaah whilst one is ignorant (lacking knowledge). Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) says:



{Say: This is my way, I invite to Allaah with sure knowledge…}, [soorah Yoosuf, Aayah 108].



i.e. upon (sound) knowledge, because it is imperative the caller knows what he is calling to from that which is: waajib, mustahab (recommended), muharram (impermissible) and makrooh and also knows what is shirk, sinning, kufr, fisq (open sinning) and knows the (different) levels and the manner in which to forbid and discourage.



And going out whilst one is busy seeking knowledge is not befitting because seeking knowledge is an obligation and is not achieved except by learning/studying and this is from the evil and ignorant ways of the misguided Soofees because any action without knowledge leads to misguidance.



From the book: Thalaathu Muhaadiraat fil-'Ilm wad-Da'wah