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Jesus said: "He who has seen me has seen the Father" (Jn.14:9), does this not prove that Jesus Christ and his Father were one and the same?
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One day to prove a point and settle an argument, Jesus picked up a child and said to his disciples; "Whoever receives this child in my name receives me; and whoever receives me receives Him who sent me;" (Luke 9:48).
Jesus said; "He who believes in me does not believe in me, but in Him who sent me." (John 12:44)
"He who hates me hates my Father also. ...but now they have both seen and hated me and my Father as well." (John 15:23-24)
"And this is eternal life, that they may know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent." (John 17:3).
The call of sincerity demands that if believing in the Truth is the honest intention then one could only pass an ethical judgement after reflecting upon all the relevant texts.
John 17:3 (quoted above), if read with the following verse clears the air.
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Jesus said; "Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master; neither is the one who is sent greater than the one who sent him." (John 13:16). During his ministry, Jesus repeatedly said he was sent by his Father.
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Why not post all of John 13 heretic?
Jesus is sending out HIS diciples.
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Quote:Why not post all of John 13 heretic?
Jesus is sending out HIS diciples.
<b>Thats what you say, kaafir</b>
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03-30-2007, 01:20 AM
(This post was last modified: 03-30-2007, 01:23 AM by Faith Hope Charity.)
Glory to God, peace on earth, good will to all.
If I may, I'd just like to point out a few things...
Quote:4. If the Father and His Son were both in "existence" from the Day One, and no one was, a micro second before or after, and, no one was "greater or lesser" in status, than why is one called the Father and the other His begotten Son?
5. Did the act of "Begetting" take place? If YES, where was the "Begotten Son" before the act? If NO, why call him the "Begotten Son"?
We profess that the Son is <i>eternally begotten</i> of the Father. There was not a time that He was not. Eternity transcends time, so does Heaven.
The mystery of God is that He's a communion of Persons, not a solitude, which is why He doesn't rely on creatures to exist (master/slave relationship). The Father generates the Son through Love (Holy Spirit). I could go on & on but it's clear that you're not really interested.
Quote:"And Peter said to them, `Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins;...'" (Acts 2:38). It is most unlikely that apostle Peter would have disobeyed the specific command of Jesus Christ for baptising in the three names and baptized them in the name of Jesus Christ, alone.
No where throughout history was anyone baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ & not the Most Holy Trinity. St Peter is making a distinction between the baptism that St John the Baptist preached & the Sacrament of Baptism that Christ instituted.
Quote:Notwithstanding the above rejections, the verse that follows the quoted text reads in KJV; "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood; and these three agree in one." (1John5:8). Are these three witnesses "co-equal"? Can blood be substituted with water? Can water be regarded as the same in any respect with the Spirit? Just as the spirit, the blood and the water are three separate entities, so are the first three witnesses, namely; the Father, the Son (Word, Logos) and the Holy Spirit (Ghost).
On the Cross both blood & water gushed forth from Jesus' side... bringing about new life (blood) cleansed of sin (water). It is a reference to Christ's Divinity. "Witness" is used in a more broader sense. "The Holy Spirit makes us adoptive sons of God; the water of the sacred font cleanses us; the blood of the Lord redeems us; the spiritual sacrament gives us a dual witness, one visible, one invisible." Praise be to God always. Tears are flowing down my face. I can't even begin to tell you how beautiful Christianity is. I just love it!!!
Quote:Oh really ?
OOPS !
Please forgive me for saying this, but it just goes to show why Islam's the fastest growing religion in the world.
God bless.
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<b>yada yada Yada, It's an explanation but it's NoT true....</b>
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Bismillah
"Please forgive me for saying this, but it just goes to show why Islam's the fastest growing religion in the world."
You cry about cheap shots but are not shy of taking them when the opportunity presents itself. If you truly wanted to be "forgiven" then you would not have said it in the first place.
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All for the greater glory of God!
Peace be with you!
Quote:You cry about cheap shots but are not shy of taking them when the opportunity presents itself. If you truly wanted to be "forgiven" then you would not have said it in the first place.
I'm sure you know by now how I feel about freedom of religion, so whenever this topic is at hand, I risk offending Muslims by stating what I believe (more or less) to be true.
I'm not trying to make an excuse for myself but my "cheap shots" are way different from yours.
Anyways, I'm sorry if my remark hurt you but I just can't take it back.
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Quote:Is the joke as funny as the proof you have yet to provide ?
<b> Sometimes Intelellectual proof is the only thing needed...</b>
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Bismillah
"I'm not trying to make an excuse for myself but my "cheap shots" are way different from yours."
If you say so...
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Quote:Bismillah
"I'm not trying to make an excuse for myself but my "cheap shots" are way different from yours."
If you say so...
Asalaamu alikum,
It is true, her cheap shots ARE different. The reason being because they apply no logic or reason.
Islam IS the fastest growing religion globally, yes that is true, and the fastest spread is happening in westren countries, Europe, Canada, USA, etc., and most in particular among women. Amazingly, in these countries, we dont hear about Muslims beating anybody to death, as John's article points out, so I guess it does not stand to reason that this is, in fact, the reason why Islam is spreading.
But is it makes some people feel better to try and justify Islams growth that way, then so be it. Islam will continue to grow as long as there are people in search for the truth.
:) Take care
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