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I only freak out because the characterization of the way Christian women are and have been historically treated was full of lies.
I know that it is just as bad for me to pull a Haddith out of context and force it to mean that your prophet thinks women are stupid...but that is exactly what the "source" did...
In all honesty, I think there is benefit to the way most Islamic countries honor their women (Modesty in dress for example).....
But I also won't let outrageous lies just slip by either.
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Quote:And don't forget the"holy koran" condones beating your wife. Only as a last resort mind. :D
FGM, condoned. Oh yes, I could go on but face it, women in islamic countries or muslim majority countries are second class citizens.
I love to prevoke this type of dialog, On the day when all will stand before the Lord of all that exsist, Dont say You were not informed about Your Lord and His last Prophet...You will be asked..
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Quote:And don't forget the"holy koran" condones beating your wife. Only as a last resort mind. :D
FGM, condoned. Oh yes, I could go on but face it, women in islamic countries or muslim majority countries are second class citizens.
Yet in Christian nations Women are the most unsafe in the world check the statistics. even amoungst the average white women in American and European cities which are more or less Christian... Look at the un-happiness of their lot. The High suicide rates and dissatisfied way they exsist in these Nations compared to Islamic nations. A women is raped and assulted every 3 mins. in these places, Maybe less. So wheres the Christianity in these laws of these Nations, which are Christian in orgin...When we watch the news in The West we see White Christian men killing their wives. I'm sure they've been reading their bibles, But Not Implamenting any of it.It's one thing to claim a faith but another thing to implament that rule. <b>So Judge a person by his faith, Dont judge the faith by the actions of that Faith's adherents</b>
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Quote:Sister...
I only freak out because the characterization of the way Christian women are and have been historically treated was full of lies.
I know that it is just as bad for me to pull a Haddith out of context and force it to mean that your prophet thinks women are stupid...but that is exactly what the "source" did...
In all honesty, I think there is benefit to the way most Islamic countries honor their women (Modesty in dress for example).....
But I also won't let outrageous lies just slip by either.
<b>This information is in your Bible</b>... You can seek an explanation by whoever you choose... the text are there and the dogma is preached in Churches all over the western world and in the most extreme groups like the Polygamus groups in Utah and elsewhere, They live it(Their degradation of Women) and their brainwashing based on their interpetations. Christians have more interpetations of the Bible.
Yet I'm not looking for an explanation of any of these biblical verses. just dont try to find errors in The only divine way of life that exsist in this world... Which is Islam. No Other way will be excepted by Allah.
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Quote:This information is in your Bible... You can seek an explanation by whoever you choose... the text are there and the dogma is preached in Churches all over the western world and in the most extreme groups like the Polygamus groups in Utah and elsewhere, They live it(Their degradation of Women) and their brainwashing based on their interpetations. Christians have more interpetations of the Bible.
Yet I'm not looking for an explanation of any of these biblical verses. just dont try to find errors in The only divine way of life that exsist in this world... Which is Islam. No Other way will be excepted by Allah.
Wow. You've done your homework. It is unfortunate, however, that the "polygamus groups in Utah" aren't Christian by any stretch of the imagination. Nice try though. This would be like me saying Jews are Muslim.
Well..it's a good thing that schools for girls have opened in Afghanistan now that the Taliban was crushed. Also it is good that women are now allowed to work so that they can earn an income with which they can help feed their families.
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Quote:Wow. You've done your homework. It is unfortunate, however, that the "polygamus groups in Utah" aren't Christian by any stretch of the imagination. Nice try though. This would be like me saying Jews are Muslim.
Well..it's a good thing that schools for girls have opened in Afghanistan now that the Taliban was crushed. Also it is good that women are now allowed to work so that they can earn an income with which they can help feed their families.
How Strange that as a Christian you only want to focus on these issues of societal inconsistancies amoungst people<b>. You first should learn The issues of Monotheism, and free yourself from Shrik.</b> The talibaan are a group of Nomads cultavating drugs for the rest of the world. They do not represent Islamic thought or norms, and The Utah group are indeed christians. They call themselves That, and they read from the bible and attend churces, What more does one have to do after claiming that religion. In fact Jesus himself(May the Prayers and peace be upon Him) never said call yourself a Christian. Nore did he have a symbol of a cross, Historically if you check most modern day so-called Christians dont follow Him at all in their practice, He never established a church, But rather He was a jew and he prayed right there in the Synogog with the rest of the Jews. In fact him and His Diciples declared themselves Muslims(Ones who submit their wills to Allah) Girls attending schools....They are the Schools in The world. Islam has a history of Women Scholars. do some homework if you want to be a athority on My faith. Islam is Not the Talibaan nor any other nation on earth. But Islam is That you Believe in and worship Allah Alone, That you pray the five prayers each day, That you Fast , and pay the Alms, and you make the Hajj to the first house if you are able...... The Qur'an and the Way of the Last Prophet and thoes who adhere to their way. that could be anyone on the Planet. Muslims are Not monolithic. so judge with Justice in your assertions. And if you are indeed an advocate of womens rights in the world, Start with secular societies. They've caused more harm to women believing that any humanbeing can have Freedom without being accountable to the Creator.
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Quote::D :D :D :D You don't even try to deny it. You just "Look over there !!" :D :D
Incidently White angalo saxion women are the largest group accepting Islam today.. Why is that when you all say Islam degrades women check the Youtube peice with Mrs. Ridley a journalist who was a captive of the Talibaan after she was relesed, she accepted Islam. Why? Check the piece on white people in Texas coming to Islam in a sea of conservative Christians.. Why? Islam will effect more people in the next ten years it will be amazing watch and take note If islam was from any other ... But in fact This is Allah God's faith which came down from the heavens....
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Quote:And don't forget the"holy koran" condones beating your wife. Only as a last resort mind. :D
FGM, condoned. Oh yes, I could go on but face it, women in islamic countries or muslim majority countries are second class citizens.
And you based this statement on what?... CNN NBC... Whats your source? It's a statement, But now back it up with some facts. compared to say where you live could your source be as CC said " A muslim women re-interpreted the Quran to give it a more "feminst feel."
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abdulwalee,
I am curious why you use the bible (old testament specifically), to prove your assertion that the bible teaches bad things about women when your prophet himself used the same bible to issue justice?
If the bible is so corrupt as to degrade women then why was mohammed using it?
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Quote:Based on the "holy" koran for one thing. Are you going to deny that beating a wife is condoned in the "holy" koran ? Are you going to deny that FGM is condoned by high ranking islamic scholars ? Are you going to deny that women are to be stoned to death for zina ? None of these things are tolerated in secular, civilized western nations.
I could explain this ayat in The Noble Qur'an to you, but It wouldn't matter you are NOT a person who sincerly desires to understand Islam so I wont waste My time debating you on this topic, Rather I will ask you If You Believe In a holy text untainted which God sent down from the heavens which No Humanbeing has distorted? If so I can go to the next topic and Maybe If God wills I will get to the explanation of text like the one you cited... But for Now Lets talk about <b>belief.... </b> <b>How do You believe in God?</b> <b>Where do you find His Laws and Rulings? How are they Explained?</b>
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