A Tradgedy

[Teh_Curious]

Bismillah


Let me put something clear for u TC and any other Kafir / infidel.


You and me are Allah's creation, Allah Allows u to benefit through Allah's Names and Attribute just exactly as I do. I mean Allah' Sustain you, Protect you, Provide for you..etc. You and me use the same bounties of Allah necessary to continue life on this world till the Day After.


If Allah Allows you all this, while you dont believe in Him the way He commanded, in some cases other infidels even go beyond this boundary and slander Allah, while Allah The Patient Does not take them immeidately, who am I to judge your death? I m not allowed, but rather I should just live my life and strive to improve in my religion, while feeling sorry for you that you are wasting your self. BUt in no means I m allowed to wish death for you but rather I wish guidance.


The only circumstances I m commanded to fight you, is when you fight me, take away my properties..etc.


Thus, in regard to your posts, in general, there is nothing in them to refute. Try posting something more sensible may be then we will be inspired to refute.

wow i didnt know all those people who dies in WTC were directly engaged in fighting you guys how blind of me, and that little israeli baby that was executed was obviously some new Israeli weapon of mass destruction, and those young teens who died in bali were obviously some invading army.


and the reason you seem to feel theres nothing to refute is because you wiped my original post showing a day in the life of a palestinian martyr which it seems you all dont want to be confronted with because you wish to hang onto the blind dogma that Islam is a religeon of peace...


Muslimah you can edit my posts, you can take them off topic when you lot cant answer the questions posed or you can ignore them when they dont say what you would like them to say. but there is one thing you cant convince me is that islam is a religeon of peace

[Teh_Curious]

Bismillah


The silk road to China


http://www.the-silk-road.com/travel/islam/index.html


Two of the world's great religions - Islam and Buddhism - have co-existed for thousands of centuries along the old Silk Road, each leaving monuments and buildings of staggering beauty and enriching the culture of successive Chinese dynasties.



The religion of Islam generally discourages construction of brash or bold places of worship - simplicity is the norm - but the builders of old took liberties within that framework. In the ancient capital of Xian, the city-centre mosque is a work of wooden art; a series of delightful courtyards inter-connect, leading up to the main place of worship. Non-believers are welcome to stroll in its ample grounds, drinking in the atmosphere of serenity and tranquility.





http://chinese-school.netfirms.com/Muslims.html


Muslims take great pride in citing a hadith that says "Seek knowledge even unto China." It points to the importance of seeking knowledge, even if it meant traveling as far away as China, especially as at t the time of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), China was considered the most developed civilization of the period. Islam in China began during the caliphate of 'Uthman ibn Affan (Allayhi Rahma, ra), the third caliph. After triumphing over the Byzantine, Romans and the Persians, 'Uthman ibn Affan, dispatched a deputation to China in 29 AH (650 C.E., Eighteen years after the Prophet's (pbuh) death), under the leadership by Sa'ad ibn Abi Waqqaas (Allayhi Rahma), Prophet Muhammad's (Salla Allahu wa Allahai wa Sallam, pbuh) maternal uncle, inviting the Chinese emperor to embrace Islam.






Hope u will enjoy reading TC


Peace

i read ... and it was a wonderful story .. but how about this.... ;)


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Muslim insurgents killing Buddhist teachers & many others in Southern Thailand


There is trouble in the whore capital of the world.


Muslims in the Muslim-dominated Southern Thailand provinces are killing Buddhists, targeting teachers specifically. I suppose there aren't many Jews to kill in Thailand.


In fact, since 2004, over 1300 people have been gunned down in this region of Thailand (which my dad who works in Southeast Asia vividly describes as "kinda like Malaysia" with respect to its Muslim culture); the killings are blamed on Muslim insurgents as well as general criminal activity. In total, 30 of the people killed were teachers.


YALA: Suspected separatist insurgents have killed three Buddhists, including a police officer and a firefighter, in Thailand's rebellious Muslim-majority south, police said Saturday.


A 37-year-old firefighter was shot dead by two suspected militants in front of his office in Yala province early Saturday morning. He died in hospital shortly afterwards.


In nearby Pattani province, a 47-year-old police officer was killed instantly when he was shot travelling to work early Saturday.


Late Friday afternoon, in Yala province, four suspected militants shot a 62-year-old villager as he drove his two-year-old grandson on his motorbike. The child was unhurt in the attack.


Violence in the three southernmost provinces of Yala, Pattani and Narathiwat has spiraled in recent months despite peace-building initiatives by the new government, installed after a coup nearly four months ago.


The region was an autonomous Malay sultanate until Buddhist Thailand annexed it more than a century ago. Separatist violence has erupted periodically, with more than 1,800 killed since the latest insurgency erupted in January 2004.


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so much for peace with bhuddists?


perhapse we should try hindus? (i got a couple 100 articles for this), sikhs only got about 20ish. jews well there are thousands, any other religeon you would like me to show you how Islam has opressed them also?


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[Teh_Curious]

see the thing is due to the muslims communities failure to condemn these acts we believe that this is normal behaviour for muslims... as prescribed by the so called "koran". therefore because these killers gain legitimization from the muslim community for their acts it makes "YOU" just as responsible for these barbaric acts.


how does it feel to know you are responsible for the execution of a baby?

[radiyah]

Bismillah


TC, where did u c or hear that we did not condemn these acts, the problem u just come throwing accusations, and u do not read or search old posts about such acts. The reason I put for u those links of the silk road and so on, to show u that this is early Islam, this is how it was spread, what happened in the wtc, or any acts done by insurgents to peacful citizens, is condemend by Islam, and is not of Islam, we keep telling, that teaching of Islam is something, and what ignorant muslims do is something else. Our countries' leaders keep on condemning all those acts, but it seems that your eyes are blind from reading their statements, and all u want to c is your own beleif. Again TC look at Islam the true Islam as it was spread by the first pioneers of Islam and not the ignorent insurgents who I doubt know anything about Islam.


Peace

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:


Assalamo Alikum.

Christians don't believe that Adam & Eve were created in Heaven. They are the crown of God's earthly creation. They were tempted by Satan in the Garden of Eden which historians believe was located in Mesopotamia (modern day Iraq). Before the fall, they were bestowed with 4 gifts that were later lost & haven't been possessed by another human being since (besides the Blessed Virgin Mary).
72 spouses for every man & woman??? I honestly hope this doesn't sound condescending, I'm just quoting someone... for Christians, "sensual pleasure in Heaven is equivalent to chewing gum on earth. It's a lower good. When you attain the Beatific Vision of God, sex becomes trivial."

According to Islam we believe that Adam peace be upon him was first created on Earth, and then raised to Heaven where Allah Almighty then Created Eve from his rib and they both lived there as husband and wife. After Iblis was cursed from Allah Almighty, he deceived Eve to tempt Adam to eat the forbidden fruit which caused for Mankind that came from Adam and Eve to be created on Earth and not in Heaven.


Full story IN DETAIL is to be found in the Qur’an.


However, we also do not consider heaven to be for sensual enjoyment; <b>this is only a very small portion of the reward that awaits the believers</b>, but the biggest reward ever that we are going to attain INSH A ALLAH, is <b>seeing Allah Himself</b>.


<b>“Faces upon that Day will be blooming, Looking towards their Lord”</b> (Qur’an 75:22-3).


The pleasure of looking at Allah exceeds all pleasures FHC.


Prophet Muhammad pbuh says, "Allah will say to the people of Paradise, "O the people of Paradise!" They will say, 'Labbaik, O our Lord, and Sa'daik, and all the good is in Your Hands!' Allah will say, "Are you satisfied?' They will say, 'Why shouldn't we be satisfied, O our Lord as You have given us what You have not given to any of Your created beings?' He will say, 'Shall I not give you something better than that?' They will say, 'O our Lord! What else could be better than that?' He will say, 'I bestow My Pleasure on you and will never be angry with you after that.' "(Al-Bukhari)


What I mean to say shortly is that Allah gave his creature Yusuf (Joseph pbuh) half the Beauty of the world, can you imagine the beauty of the creator of that creature. We Muslims yearn for the day we meet Prophet Muhammad pbuh but we also yearn more for meeting Allah and see His beautiful face and this is the best we can get FHC.


Hope you get my point insh a Allah.

Do Muslim couples in Paradise give birth to children too?

No idea… Sister Muslimah may help on this insh a Allah.


Salam


Wael

[radiyah]

Bismillah


Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala promised us to have what ever we wish in Janna, so those who were deprived from having children in this life, all they have to do is wish for children in Janna and they will be granted insha'Allah, and of course without pain and all the things that happens to a mother in this life. You can wish for anything u want and u will get it:


Bismillah Al-rahman Al-Raheem:


16:31 Gardens of Eternity which they will enter: beneath them flow (pleasant) rivers: they will have therein all that they wish: thus doth Allah reward the righteous,-



25:16 "For them there will be therein all that they wish for: they will dwell (there) for aye: A promise to be prayed for from thy Lord."





The relation ship between Man and wife in Janna, will be more glorified than it is now. I cannot describe it in english there is a hadeeth that explain that relation, let me find it, translate it and put it for u In sha'Allah.


So just imagine when Allah(SWT) promise us that whatever u wish u will get in Janna, so u can widen your imagination to whatever u want Insha'Allah. U can go shopping for free, flying anything u wish. So there are no limits to what is there in the heaveans for the beleivers.


Hope I answered part of your questions, wait for me to find the hadeeth and translate it for u.


Peace

[Faith Hope Charity]

In the Name of the Father & of the Son & of the Holy Spirit, One God, to whom all honor & glory is due.


May the Love, Peace & Grace of Our Lord & Saviour, Jesus Christ, be with you all!

According to Islam we believe that Adam peace be upon him was first created on Earth, and then raised to Heaven where Allah Almighty then Created Eve from his rib and they both lived there as husband and wife. After Iblis was cursed from Allah Almighty, he deceived Eve to tempt Adam to eat the forbidden fruit which caused for Mankind that came from Adam and Eve to be created on Earth and not in Heaven.

Iblis deceived Eve in Heaven... in the presence of Allah Almighty? Temptation occurs in Heaven? Are you absolutely sure about this? Perhaps you should define Heaven for me (according to Islam). Is it different from Paradise?

The pleasure of looking at Allah exceeds all pleasures FHC.

Of course! Without a doubt! Just ask any nun or monk who embrace a celibate religious vocation on earth... or the Sufi mystics who possess immense spiritual wealth! What they experience is a foretaste of Heaven - a true & intimate relationship with God. A higher & greater level of love & happiness!

What I mean to say shortly is that Allah gave his creature Yusuf (Joseph pbuh) half the Beauty of the world, can you imagine the beauty of the creator of that creature. We Muslims yearn for the day we meet Prophet Muhammad pbuh but we also yearn more for meeting Allah and see His beautiful face and this is the best we can get FHC.

Oh, it's beyond my imagination!!! It'll most definitely exceed anyone's expectations! Catholics believe that the Mass is a sign/preview of holy ones entering Heaven... but since we're agreeing on something for once, I won't get into it & risk spoiling the moment - LOL! Forgive me, please!

We Muslims also yearn more for meeting Allah and see His beautiful face and this is the best we can get FHC.

We're yearning together, Brother :) Insh a Allah, we'll be worthy enough!

Hope you get my point insh a Allah.

I think I have... thanks be to God!


Until next time,


May Allah bless you!

Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala promised us to have what ever we wish in Janna, so those who were deprived from having children in this life, all they have to do is wish for children in Janna and they will be granted insha'Allah, and of course without pain and all the things that happens to a mother in this life. You can wish for anything u want and u will get it:

Will their children be tempted & put through a test too?


:icon_offtopic: Is it Allah's will that married couples be deprived of children in this life?

The relation ship between Man and wife in Janna, will be more glorified than it is now. I cannot describe it in english there is a hadeeth that explain that relation, let me find it, translate it and put it for u In sha'Allah.

But Radiyah, why the need for 72 husbands & wives?


Great! Sounds like an interesting Hadith. Please don't trouble yourself for my sake though :)

So just imagine when Allah(SWT) promise us that whatever u wish u will get in Janna, so u can widen your imagination to whatever u want Insha'Allah. U can go shopping for free, flying anything u wish. So there are no limits to what is there in the heaveans for the beleivers.

On a lighter note, & in order to get to know each other better, what wonderful rewards would you all request? Please share :)


May Allah bless you!


Thank you kindly :)

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:

Iblis deceived Eve in Heaven... in the presence of Allah Almighty?
Temptation occurs in Heaven?

I knew that you may think of this point :)


Muslims do not believe that God is located in Heaven; you can never find in the Islamic terminology the words which Christians always use <i>“God the Father in heaven”</i>. Allah is absolutely other than His creation. The Creator cannot by any means be the same type of being as that which He creates. It also follows that to ‘locate’ Allah would be to place Him in our space and time dimension when we know this is definitely not the case.


The Qur’an says:


Your Guardian-Lord is God, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority)...


chapter 7 Verse 54


In this passage from the Qur’an we are being informed, Allah is above the throne. but please bear in mind that the concept of throne here is beyond the understanding of humans.


There are also many passages in the Qur’an, which refer to Allah being with us and seeing us., <b>does this mean that temptation will also not occur on earth? </b> What ‘being with us’ means is that His knowledge is over everything <b>(including heavens)</b> and through His knowledge He is observing and witnessing, there is nothing outside of His knowledge. For our part, we feel the existence and presence of Allah, in the depths of our heart, through the universe, which He has created and opened to us like a book, and through the wonderful harmony between all His creations.


<b>So yes, Iblis tempted Adam and Eve in heaven, both disobeyed Allah’s command, both were sent down to earth, both repented and both were forgiven. </b>


you may better read the whole story of Adam pbuh (which is different from the Biblical narration) here is the link, The Story of Prophet Adam PBUH


Salam


Wael.

[Faith Hope Charity]

In the Name of Jesus Christ - My Lord, My God, My Saviour, My Everything!

I knew that you may think of this point :)

Smart boy :D Did you anticipate these points too...

Muslims do not believe that God is located in Heaven; you can never find in the Islamic terminology the words which Christians always use <i>“God the Father in heaven”</i>. Allah is absolutely other than His creation. The Creator cannot by any means be the same type of being as that which He creates. It also follows that to ‘locate’ Allah would be to place Him in our space and time dimension when we know this is definitely not the case.

Without diving too deep into Catholicism, I'll just make one quick comment... Catholics believe that Heaven transcends time & place too :)


As you stated in a previous post... In Heaven, believers will "meet Allah & see His beautiful face". I know Allah isn't a physical being with a face (He's pure spirit, right?), but how will Muslims experience Allah's presence in Paradise?

There are also many passages in the Qur’an, which refer to Allah being with us and seeing us., <b>does this mean that temptation will also not occur on earth? </b> What ‘being with us’ means is that His knowledge is over everything <b>(including heavens)</b> and through His knowledge He is observing and witnessing, there is nothing outside of His knowledge. For our part, we feel the existence and presence of Allah, in the depths of our heart, through the universe, which He has created and opened to us like a book, and through the wonderful harmony between all His creations.


<b>So yes, Iblis tempted Adam and Eve in heaven, both disobeyed Allah’s command, both were sent down to earth, both repented and both were forgiven. </b>


you may better read the whole story of Adam pbuh (which is different from the Biblical narration) here is the link, The Story of Prophet Adam PBUH

Thank you so much, Wael! In all honesty, that link was the BEST one anyone has EVER provided me with on IslamMessage! I learnt so much :) So that's the good news... the bad news is... it seems the more I read, the more questions arise in my mind... which means I'm creating more work for you... sorry!


In the story of Adam, it appears that Allah was constantly conversing with the Angels, Jinns & Adam. In light of what you mentioned above, how is this possible? I know there's an explanation & I can't wait to hear it ;) By the way, I'm aware that Allah sent His revelations to the prophet Mohammad (PBUH) through the Angel Gabriel. Do Muslims know why Allah didn't directly speak to Mohammad (PBUH) Himself, like He did with the other beings? I thought only Catholics had mediators/intercessors/messengers who work for God - LOL!


One more question, if you don't mind me asking... Considering there's no concept of Original Sin in Islam, does that mean humans are created perfectly? If so, wouldn't they be immune from sin? If not, would I be correct in assuming that Allah creates imperfection?


Thanks Wael (& anyone else who contributes).


May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you!

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:


Thanks for asking again FHC... actually you are doing us a favor by asking such questions.


allow me to answer part of your post, and insh a Allah later other brothers and sisters mat help answer the rest.


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s you stated in a previous post... In Heaven, believers will "meet Allah & see His beautiful face". I know Allah isn't a physical being with a face (He's pure spirit, right?).
Please note that the moment you compare Almighty God to anyone or anything, whether it is a Spirit or Physical description, <b>be sure that he is not Almighty God</b>. God said about Himself that ‘There is nothing like Him’
… So His face definitely going to be something else that we can never even imagine or dream of.


God also in the Qur’an told us that ‘<b>He is the Seer and Hearer of all things’ </b> does this mean that He have eyes and ears like human being? No of course not… This Seeing and Hearing cannot be compared with what we human beings see and hear, because for us to hear, we require sound waves, we require a ear apparatus. God Almighty does not require all these things, So Allah <i>Subhana Wa Taala </i> Sees and Hears in a different way, as compared to what we human beings see and hear.


In a similar manner, God’s face is totally different as compare to what we human beings have. Physical or spiritual????????? We don’t know and can never describe. <i>Allahu A'alam</i>.


<b>Shortly, Allah is perfect. He is not like any of His creation. He has told us that He has Hands, Eyes, a Face, etc. But all of these attributes are befitting ONLY to His might and Glory, and we are NOT allowed to compare Allah with any of his creatures.</b>


Hope this answer your question insh a Allah. (working on the rest of your questions insh a Allah)


Salam


Wael.