A Comparison

[unit]

hmm.. hard-liner.. (reading that, somebody might suggest YOU are an extremist?) :conf06:

I don’t admit that the Pope was -stirring at all.

oh yeh.. forgot.. he's infallible ;)

Let’s be honest, Moslems hold their belief system to be impervious to criticism.

let's be honest - do you speak for EVERY muslim?

Why are Moslems so reactionary and why so defensive?. It’s absolutely astonishing that Moslems view any critique, any hard questions, any criticism at all of Islam as “attacking Muslims”.

(we covered hate-mongering in previous post, didn't we?) what's with the rehash? (just politely?)

Here in the West, one can find any number of books, film or media which criticizes Republican politics, Christianity, leftist media, modern art, magic crystal ball healing power...you name it,

ahh.. the illusion of freedom (expects harsh reply) ..and it's REALLY easy to get such works published by mainstream isn't it?

we are free to shine the bright, glaring light of criticism upon it. And I've got to say, I can't remember anyone in the U.S. being killed over this.

can't remember or have no knowledge..? (will you call it conspiracy theories?)

We like the knowledge that we can disagree with one another, express that disagreement (in a lawful, non-threatening way), and be done with it.

i'm sure people like martin luther king, malcom x and president kennedy would agree with you?

Clearly, people can understandably become upset at some cast dispersion when beliefs they hold dear are ridiculed or impugned, but here in the U.S. at least, the majority of us take it with nary a flinch.

heh.. 2 for flinching ;)

I don’t claim that all Moslems subscribe to the hateful rhetoric coming from many of their spiritual leaders but silence to this suggests tacit endorsement. We hear of the tiny minority of violent extremists™ but you know what, It’s not so tiny.

can't really find anything constructive to say to this..? you seem to have made your mind up on this?

let's suppose the vatican had an agenda for the world.. so what..?

I'm not following this.

i didnt think you would.. this is what you said >> Let’s suppose the Pope did have an agenda for using the descriptions he used, so what?


(get the sarcasm now?)

Ask the Pope, Theo Van Gogh, Salman Rushdie, Hirsi Ali Sina… the list goes on. Hey – I’ve only got a 60 gig hard drive

only 60 gig to cram with? might need a second HD at the rate you're going..?

That depends on which particular god(s).

let's keep this relevant, and agree we are talking MONO-heism (since we're here at a monotheistic site, debating related subject matter..?

can i get a large fries too?

= can i have those same basic rights you desire for yourself?
amazing! we agreed on salmon rushdie :)

The truth will set you free.

ouch = i think that was a little 'blunt' (and muslim ppl might be offended?) /shrugs (not important)

Hence the ban or restrictions on competing religious faiths in most of the Islamic world.

<_< so you think non-muslim religions in democratic paradise western countries are incapable of doing the same thing, and resorting to underhanded methods.. hmm.. at least the vocal muslims SAY what they think in regards to this, not like those wolves in sheep clothing who hide behind love and a pulpit and say these things in closed elite circles..


ugh! >NOT< looking foreward to what happens next..

Iran is acquiring the means to wage nuclear jihad and to usher in the endtimes. I’m not looking forward to that.

yeh yeh the 12th imam or whatever.. and the fundamentalists back home aren't going hell for leather trying to bring it about in the mid east?


bush: "we fight them over there in order to avoid the fight over here"


<b>i expect MORE from you.. i have read your other posts.. you can use your brain when you want.. why not try it again? and also kick in your heart this time if it's not too much to ask..?
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[Ruggedtouch]

hmm.. hard-liner.. (reading that, somebody might suggest YOU are an extremist?)

No. I just demand accountability. For self hating leftists, it’s just easier to claim victimhood.

oh yeh.. forgot.. he's infallible

Stop sputtering! You need not throw your twitchy little hissy-fit just because I chortled at that loony spritzfest crock you so cherish.

let's be honest - do you speak for EVERY muslim?

Let’s be honest – your stuttering and mumbling doesn’t conceal your inability to respond with a coherent answer.

(we covered hate-mongering in previous post, didn't we?) what's with the rehash? (just politely?)

And you still haven’t managed to offer a response.

ahh.. the illusion of freedom (expects harsh reply) ..and it's REALLY easy to get such works published by mainstream isn't it?

Still playing the victim?

can't remember or have no knowledge..? (will you call it conspiracy theories?)

I note with amusement your need to vilify the West for your apparent failures.

i'm sure people like martin luther king, malcom x and president kennedy would agree with you?

Not one of those murders was committed to the accompaniment of Allahu Akbar.

heh.. 2 for flinching

Cute. Are you going to offer anything more than silly quips and goofy one-liners?

can't really find anything constructive to say to this..? you seem to have made your mind up on this?

The truth is not the enemy - at least, not <i>mine</i>. Still cowering from the tough questions, I see.

i didnt think you would.. this is what you said >> Let’s suppose the Pope did have an agenda for using the descriptions he used, so what?
(get the sarcasm now?)

No.

only 60 gig to cram with? might need a second HD at the rate you're going..?

Nothing to say, nothing to add, just the usual stuttering.

let's keep this relevant, and agree we are talking MONO-heism (since we're here at a monotheistic site, debating related subject matter..?

Polytheism is the irrefutable conclusion. Multiple, bustling deities - with a formidable union!

= can i have those same basic rights you desire for yourself?

Extend a helping hand to the recalcitrant malcontents! Cajole them on to the bandwagon! Here we go! ”<i>Row, row, row your boat....”</i>

ouch = i think that was a little 'blunt' (and muslim ppl might be offended?) /shrugs (not important)

Infidels have special privleges.

so you think non-muslim religions in democratic paradise western countries are incapable of doing the same thing, and resorting to underhanded methods.. hmm.. at least the vocal muslims SAY what they think in regards to this, not like those wolves in sheep clothing who hide behind love and a pulpit and say these things in closed elite circles..

A poorly executed attempt at evasion. Competing religions are discriminated against in the majority of Moslem nations. And no sense simply and honestly acknowledging the truth when it doesn't serve your agenda apparently.

yeh yeh the 12th imam or whatever.. and the fundamentalists back home aren't going hell for leather trying to bring it about in the mid east?
bush: "we fight them over there in order to avoid the fight over here"

As usual, your response is limited by your inability to respond to the salient point.


i expect MORE from you.. i have read your other posts.. you can use your brain when you want.. why not try it again? and also kick in your heart this time if it's not too much to ask..?


I'll take the above petulant and evasive little rant as an admission that you cannot cope with such a bleak prospect as actually focusing on a relevant response. Your fawning devotion to leftist self-hate and obsessive loathing for Western culture bear not a whit upon the pathetic charade of your evasions.

[unit]

you need to stick things in boxes..


could set my watch by you.. lefty self-hating box has already been thrust over me.. (notice i did not label you?) is there some kind of hardhead 101 course where they teach you that response? (if anyone starts pointing out the west is no saint just call them a lefty douchebag, it never fails)


can't you just admit there are some things that are very complex to fathom.? if you have the full dope on world events why are you stuck on a message board with the rest of us?


will re-read everything and post again later.. won't pester you to reply but hope you do..


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(btw there is a post in 101 bible error thread that i hope you reply to)


complaining about spelling mistakes is a bit naff :P

[Faith Hope Charity]

Peace be with you, unit :peace:

(but you must admit then the pope was stirring?) this is not something a 'pope' should do..? (don't you agree?) violence is never a way to solve a problem, you are correct.. (what can i say?) if the pope wants to live by the sword...

I take it you haven't actually read the address delivered by the Holy Father (which aims at combating violence) or the Vatican's declaration concerning the interpretation of certain passages. You must have CNN syndrome :lol:

oh yeh.. forgot.. he's infallible ;)

Only when it comes to matters of faith & morals, not when he's giving speeches ;)

exactly.. i say the same about freemasons and roman catholics.. why should something be 'blasphemous' (hurtful to God) i thought nothing could hurt God..???

"Blasphemy is contrary to the respect due to God and His holy name" (Catechism 2148).


Lord have mercy on us all.


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[Curious Christian]

Peace be with you, unit :peace:


I take it you haven't actually read the address delivered by the Holy Father (which aims at combating violence) or the Vatican's declaration concerning the interpretation of certain passages. You must have CNN syndrome :lol:


Only when it comes to matters of faith & morals, not when he's giving speeches ;)


"Blasphemy is contrary to the respect due to God and His holy name" (Catechism 2148).


Lord have mercy on us all.


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Carefull FHC...facts will get your post deleted.

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:

Question remains...
Why was Jesus so different from Mohammed?


You forgot to mention...


Jesus was born a virgin.


Jesus asscended into heaven and didn't die.


Muslims can't deny either.

Are you still asking these questions CC?


So are these things that you've mentioned makes Jesus <b>SO DIFFERENT</b>???


Ok let’s see Elijah (2 Kings 2:11) and Enoch (Genesis 5:24) they were also raised to heaven and neither of which, according to the Bible and the consensus of the Christian scholars died natural deaths but were instead "raised up" or "taken" by God because of their piety, uprightness, and their "walking with God."… I’ve also shown you before many personalities from the Bible who performed more powerful miracles than Jesus pbuh ever did and yet you never considered them greater than Jesus pbuh or <b>so different/unique from him. </b>


Salam


Wael

[Faith Hope Charity]

In the Name of God - Creator, Redeemer, Sanctifier.


May the peace of Christ be with you, Wael.


There's a difference between being "assumed" into Heaven & "ascending" into Heaven.


No one on earth besides the Son of God has ever ascended into Heaven.


God bless.

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:

In the Name of God - Creator, Redeemer, Sanctifier.


May the peace of Christ be with you, Wael.


There's a difference between being "assumed" into Heaven & "ascending" into Heaven.


No one on earth besides the Son of God has ever ascended into Heaven.


God bless.

let the Bible speak...


2Kings 2:11


And as they went on, walking and talking together, behold, a fiery chariot and fiery horses parted them both asunder: <b>and Elias went up by a whirlwind into heaven.</b>



<b>There is no difference between “Ascending” into heaven and “went up” into heaven. </b>


I used the The Douay (Catholic) Bible by the way.


Salam


Wael.

[Faith Hope Charity]

In the Name of God - Father Son Holy Spirit.

<b>There is no difference between “Ascending” into heaven and “went up” into heaven. </b>

I should've been more specific the first time...


There's a difference between Jesus Christ the Son of God & Messiah, ascending into Heaven by His own power, & the prophet Elijah suddenly being assumed into Heaven by a fiery chariot which was sent to take him up.


No one on earth besides Jesus Christ has ascended into Heaven by their own authority.


No need to reply. I already know how Muslims feel about this subject :)

I used the The Douay (Catholic) Bible by the way.

Good boy :D

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:

There's a difference between Jesus Christ the Son of God & Messiah, ascending into Heaven by His own power,

Am sorry, but I found myself forced to reply this point.


To say that he was ascended into heaven by <b>his own power </b> is contradictory to what the master himself said…


<b>I can of mine own self do nothing:</b> as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; <b>because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me</b>.If I bear witness of myself, <b>my witness is not true</b>.-(JOHN 5:30-31).


... for <b>my Father is greater than I</b>.-(JOHN 14:28).


Verily, verily, I say unto you, <b>The servant is not greater than his Lord; neither he that is sent greater than He that sent him.-(</b>JOHN 13:16)


In another quotation which is not ready with me right now, Jesus admits that “All power is <b>GIVEN </b> to me… its not his own, but it was given to him by someone more powerfull than him, even if he was ascended into heaven, <b>it was not on his own power, but by the power of the Almighty God.</b>


There is no need for you to reply, I know exactly how Christians feel about this matter, but I would like to tell you that we believe that Jesus Christ <b>is the only Prophet who was taken up or ascended into heaven by God</b>, and <b>he is the only Prophet who is still alive today</b>, <b>but that does not make him God, or special, although we believe that he was one of the mightiest messengers of God Almighty, but we are told in the Qur'an to make no distinction between all Prophets… </b>


Salam


Wael.