The Lessening of Infidel Patience

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For the foreseeable future, a peaceful inner struggler™ in the UK will be doing his jihadin’ from the confines of Dar al slammer.


I'm happy to report that one who espouses murder and prompts toward that action will be a guest of infidel justice

A Muslim protestor who called for the bombing of Denmark and the United States during a demonstration in London was today found guilty of soliciting murder.
Umran Javed, 27, was accused of leading a protest against the publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad in Danish newspapers outside the Danish Embassy in February last year.


A police video played to the jury during the trial at the Old Bailey showed Javed leading chants of "Bomb, bomb Denmark. Bomb, bomb USA."

Always with the threats and promotion of violence and hatreds. But hey, who are we to judge their cultural norms?

Javed denied soliciting murder and stirring up racial hatred, but was today found guilty of both charges. As the verdict was read out a man in the public gallery shouted: "I curse the judge, I curse the court, I curse the jury, all of you."
Javed will be sentenced in April and could face years behind bars. Abu Hamza, the extremist preacher found guilty of similar charges last year, was sentenced to seven years imprisonment. MPs tonight described the verdict as a "sound, strong judgment".

Ameen, ameen.

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see.. i don't get it..?


if a redneck in USA was screaming 'bomb irak, bomb irak' nobody would give a sh*t (free speech) but some angry young man (27y.o) who is venting his frustration at egregious attacks on his religion by yet another western allied country is a different story?


MPs tonight described the verdict as a "sound, strong judgment".


-- gee.. what's that code for, i wonder..?

[Teh_Curious]

see.. i don't get it..?


if a redneck in USA was screaming 'bomb irak, bomb irak' nobody would give a sh*t (free speech) but some angry young man (27y.o) who is venting his frustration at egregious attacks on his religion by yet another western allied country is a different story?


MPs tonight described the verdict as a "sound, strong judgment".


-- gee.. what's that code for, i wonder..?

pfft ur argument is flawed, like a redneck in USA would know where or what iraq is :P


2ndly why is it ok for muslims to to make anti-christian cartoons, make slanderous comments about christianity, threaten anyone who doesnt agree with them with violence and death, yet for fear of becoming anti-islamic or Prejudiced we just roll our eyes and shake our heads and we have to keep our mouths shut, just incase some muslim might take offense and want to kill us?


yet some intellectual cripple in denmark makes a stupid cartoon and its now ok to, execute preists and nuns, bomb alot of inocent people in the name of Allah.


sometimes i think people project their dislike for Bush onto the American people making very little differential between the 2.


would be the same as someone saying they hate you because john howard is a whiney little *****


as an ademendum alot of those idiots involved on the "Cronulla" thing (talking about infedels) were charged and jailed for little more than what Umran Javed said, should their racist attitudes also be forgiven or should we show them that, that type of attitude isnt acceptable?


is it more acceptable to imprison them because there white than it is to jail Mr Javed for inciting a very real threat?

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pfft ur argument is flawed, like a redneck in USA would know where or what iraq is

heh.. that's why i typed it as 'irak' ;)

2ndly why is it ok for muslims to to make anti-christian cartoons, make slanderous comments about christianity, threaten anyone who doesnt agree with them with violence and death,

it's ok now?

yet for fear of becoming anti-islamic or Prejudiced we just roll our eyes and shake our heads and we have to keep our mouths shut, just incase some muslim might take offense and want to kill us?

i am NOT touching this with a 40 foot pole! (i know what ur trying to do here)

yet some intellectual cripple in denmark makes a stupid cartoon and its now ok to, execute preists and nuns, bomb alot of inocent people in the name of Allah.

it's ok now?

sometimes i think people project their dislike for Bush onto the American people making very little differential between the 2.

agreed.. and i'm sure the same thing is happening in reverse for some 'western' people.. although it could be said the voting in US is not yet a TOTAL sham - the US people have elected their leader (as in CHOSE him) wheras iraq apparently did not recieve the same luxury with saddam, (ok so somebody should now mention that in the 1980's US and IRAQ were quite friendly, my how the worm turns)

would be the same as someone saying they hate you because john howard is a whiney little *****

well i hate myself for same said reason (hehehe) and i did not vote for him

as an ademendum alot of those idiots involved on the "Cronulla" thing (talking about infedels) were charged and jailed for little more than what Umran Javed said, should their racist attitudes also be forgiven or should we show them that, that type of attitude isnt acceptable?

saying opinions and participating in riots are two different things.. as for umran javed - wtf? (i dunno this name) if they're muslim or non muslim if they have transgressed the law of the land they should be... corrected


australia is NOT a muslim country and as much as i respect other cultures/faiths i do not want it to become an islamic state.. if they expect others to abide by their ways, surely they must abide by others ways (or will islam force itself by the sword?)

is it more acceptable to imprison them because there white than it is to jail Mr Javed for inciting a very real threat?

no, i don't think so..? is it right to keep david hicks in guantanemo? maybe this is how the elite reaffirm to us little people 'see, there are no favourites! we even jail our own'


btw if you mean this guy who said 'bomb bomb' (is inciting violence) then you and i are also guilty, we've made similar stupid remarks in the past, granted we were probably joking or letting off steam (maybe an observer cannot tell the difference and hence the problem of inciting) but it is my opinion that there is indeed a push against muslims in general and the middle east (from forces based in the west)


talk to you soon :)

[Teh_Curious]

hmm david hicks... i kinda have to ask wth was he doing there to begin with, if you engage in combat against another military, then the potential for capture is quite high, trying him as a non combatant though is wrong.


in ur post though you seem to be saying as long as ur muslim you can incite hate, which is what he was doing in a non-muslim country.


its kinda screwed up that countries are bound by UN conventions to take refugees, but there is those (and i admit there a VERY small number) who come out here for the comfort and peace, yet hate us all and want us all to die :/


if they want to incite speeches like that why the hell are they living in western countries?

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yet for fear of becoming anti-islamic or Prejudiced we just roll our eyes and shake our heads and we have to keep our mouths shut, just incase some muslim might take offense and want to kill us?


i am NOT touching this with a 40 foot pole! (i know what ur trying to do here)

not trying to do anthing but point out a hypocracy, if alittle contoversally, but would you say i am incorrect in my opinion?

btw if you mean this guy who said 'bomb bomb' (is inciting violence) then you and i are also guilty, we've made similar stupid remarks in the past, granted we were probably joking or letting off steam (maybe an observer cannot tell the difference and hence the problem of inciting) but it is my opinion that there is indeed a push against muslims in general and the middle east (from forces based in the west)

but is there anything to suggest he was joking?


have we ever been at an emotionally charged religeous demonstration saying bomb bomb?


the law rarley makes any distinction.

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hmm david hicks... i kinda have to ask wth was he doing there to begin with, if you engage in combat against another military, then the potential for capture is quite high, trying him as a non combatant though is wrong.

hmm.. not much i can say to that.. agree on it.. maybe we both see the inconsistancy there?

in ur post though you seem to be saying as long as ur muslim you can incite hate, which is what he was doing in a non-muslim country.

not at all.. right is right. wrong is wrong.. i DO think they are being victimised and 'picked on' by forces in the west.. (hey maybe the same thing happens in reverse there?) the same western forces that treat us (thier subjects) as slaves.. ergo our imperialist masters (who have subjugated us) now seek to subjugate them.. (insert american one dollar bill symbolist rant here)

its kinda screwed up that countries are bound by UN conventions to take refugees, but there is those (and i admit there a VERY small number) who come out here for the comfort and peace, yet hate us all and want us all to die :/

well yeh.. i'd like to smack them all upside the head.. if i went to another country and spoke like that i'd expect to be smacked upside the head?

if they want to incite speeches like that why the hell are they living in western countries?

a humdinger of a question.. looking at my own situation, i was born here in australia so i seem to have some of those values imprinted on me, aside from the small parts where i can think for myself i am part of this culture, part of the problem etc.. i would imagine if i was to relocate overseas i would not change overnight.. if i was unable to accept the new land i would go back home..


it's like a richy moving into a low-income suburb then suddenly leaning over the neighbours fence and complaining.. of course there's going to be broken windows and eggs thrown that night.. i would go back to where i came from rather than try to swim upstream.. having said this if i was to move into a suburb where raping kids was the norm i would also go back home.. you can't swim upstream.. you can't be different.. (you can't change the system) << :rant:


having a thing like free speech and then prosecuting this young muslim man displays this for all to see.. i know this was england and NOT USA (home of free speech) but i hope you know what i mean.. ;)

not trying to do anthing but point out a hypocracy, if alittle contoversally, but would you say i am incorrect in my opinion?

no. just tricky. (you use the word controversial) it's too tricky to reply to? i will re-read it and reply when i'm in a better frame of mind (a bit peeved right now due to unrelated incident hehe)


-- it's not just muslim folks, if a single joo complains about the xmas school nativity pagent the school shuts down the whole thing.. joo's want automated crossing systems at roads because apparently it's a sin to do 'work' on the sabbath (how do they eat if they can't open the fridge that day? how do they flush their toilet that day if pressing a button is work?)


this topic is TRICKY!

but is there anything to suggest he was joking?

no.. but if he WAS serious he'd be back at home making chlorine bombs, not venting.. while i have no absolute proof to back that up i hope you see what i mean, this is the problem i have with it >> when is the actual crime commited? are you not even able to SPEAK of such things..? if so there will be a day soon when you will be prosecuted for merely *thinking* such things.. fine.. he rants.. put him under surveillance like so many others..?

have we ever been at an emotionally charged religeous demonstration saying bomb bomb?

i won't say on the internet what i was refering to ;)

the law rarley makes any distinction

the punishment should fit the crime :thumb:


somebody once said 'If a man look on a woman with lust in his heart, he has already sinned' -- so maybe the guy has transgressed by doing what he did.. but the same person also said 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone' and those who prosecute him are filthy with sin.. i know we need law and people to uphold the law (cops etc) but i think it's not good..loosely i could draw reference to saddam here - at one point good old USA is buddies with him, when it suits goold old USA, saddam suddenly becomes persona non grata..


i have no faith in the rulers.. they play games with lives.. many politicians of late have made hate-mongering words, yet they go unpunished..? why make a martyr of this guy, who is imho plainly just venting steam??