Quote:Bismillah:
This is what other 'faithless' have fed you?
Like most apologists, you fault science for being a process. It’s not a matter of my being “fed” anything. It’s a matter of being discerning and accepting facts and evidence as opposed to blindly accepting what is demonstrably false.
Quote:If the Qur’an copied those information from Ancient Greek discoveries (GALEN), then please show us where does he describe the creation of man from a drop of sperm (nutfah), then a zygote (nutfah amshajjin), then as a leech-like thing (alaqa), then as small lump of partly formed flesh (mugdah), then the formations of bones and muscles covering them. <b>The Quran’s account is totally different from that of Galen! </b>
Salam
Wael.
This is where you show the true poverty of your position. The Koran’s account is totally plagiarized from that of Galen!
The embryology expressed by the Qur'an follows the Greek knowledge of embryology extant at the time. The Qur'an refers to <i>nutfah</i>, which translates as "semen" and does not refer to both sperm and eggs. Sura 86:6 says that the fluid issues from between the loins and ribs, not, as we know today, from the testicles. This reflects a mistaken view of Hippocrates, common in the 5th century that semen comes from all the fluid of the body and passes through the kidneys. Sura 23:12-14 says God created man from "wet earth, then placed him as (a drop of) sperm <i>(nutfah)</i> in a safe lodging; then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood <i>(alaqa)</i>; then out of that clot We made a (foetus) lump <i>(mudghah)</i>, then We made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then We developed out of it another creature." This account directly follows the four stages described by the Greek physician Galen, writing around 150 AD. The inaccuracies both reflect Greek ideas of the time. Let’s remember that a “doctor” named Harith Ibn Kalada, who studied at the school of Jundishapur in Persia, traveled with Mohammed. He would have been well acquainted with the teachings of Aristotle, Hippocrates, and Galen.
What islamists do is play fast and loose with such verses as to apply any meaning they wish. That’s dishonest and just plain wrong. As we see consistently with those who bend and twist verses to fit any meaning you wish, the verses are unforgivably vague. The fact that most are so vague as to require considerable and varying interpretation before they can even be imagined as saying anything scientific at all works against us considering them as real.
But worse, none of them contain any real information that was not already known 1400 years ago, or, more often than not, they contain re-packaged commentary of information known centuries earlier.
Firstly, the Koranic embryology verses are particular examples. For example, they describe <b>nothing</b> that is "microscopic" or even particularly remarkable. A drop of semen (<i>nutfah</i>), a clot (<i>alaqah</i>), and a "chewed lump of meat" (<i>mudghah</i>) are all perfectly visible to the naked eye.
Second, and as noted earlier, the Koranic version of "embryology" is not significantly different from the pagan Greek version of embryology. And the Greek version is 500 years older.
Thirdly, both the Greek and Koranic versions are inaccurate. The idea that an embryo was ever mere "nutfah" was proved false and discarded once we learned of the physiology of the ovum. The embryo, (human or otherwise), is never a clot. And a "chewed lump of meat" is clearly not a meaningful description of anything. If you bring the Hadith into these examinations, the errors are even worse.
The Qur'an also describes humans as coming from earth (11:61), clay (15:26), mud (23:12), dust (30:20), water (25:54), and nothing (19:67). Anyone looking for a way to weasel around and pick a particular verse to fit any particular circumstance has no shortage of options.
And you are badly in need of a nice cup of tea and a lie down.
