Nun murdered in retaliation for what Pope said

[Curious Christian]

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Italian nun. Dedicated her life to helping poor and sick in Africa shot in the back by Somali gunman.

[Niema Shaheed]

Dear Curious,


I am a Muslim from the USA. I am 57 years old and have been a Muslim for almost 8 years. Even in my relatively short time in Islam, I know that what this Somali man did was an abomination in the sight of Allah and to Muslims. His actions, and the actions of many others, are against Islam, which protects innocents. No one ever talks about the Muslims that were killed on 9/11, and the rooms that were used for Muslims to be able to pray in the Twin Towers. Murderers will not go to paradise, and suicide is forbidden, so no matter what some say, one will not obtain paradise by taking innocent lives.


The Catholic pope quoted material from a Christian source hundred of years ago, and it was a lie. Why would he do that? What was his intention? In this world today, Islam is looking down the barrel of a huge gun in the hands of fundamental Christians who want to wipe Islam, and most Middle Eastern people, from the face of the earth. Has it occurred to you that most Western governments are seen as proponents of genocide and colonization? Fear is often irrational, and Muslims are living in deadly fear. I do not know what was in this man's heart, but maybe it was simply fear. May Allah have mercy on him and on his victim.


I urge you to investigate what Islam stands for, and Insha'Allah, you will learn the truth. If your intent is to simply spread fear and hatred, I have nothing but pity for you.


May you find a reward based on your intention,


Niema

[Zainab]

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Italian nun. Dedicated her life to helping poor and sick in Africa shot in the back by Somali gunman.

Very unfortunate indeed. However, such incidents are bound to happen in a situation like this. If the head of the Catholic church who's thought to be an "intellect" by his followers has no hesitation talking so irresponsibly, then why blame a gunman from the streets for acting senselessly?


To add a little on the Pope's unitelligent strategy, his recent words only prove how little he knows about Islam despite his so-called "intellectualism." No doubt, his shallow, baseless and provocative comments should simply be ignored for that's what the beloved Prophet would have done if he [pbuh] was here today. However some thoughts did cross my mind. Inadvertently, the Pope's remarks exposed a grim reality - the infamous inquisitors of the middle ages still have many friends!


And today the vatican announced that the text read by the pope was a "quote" and did not reflect his views. So what was the purpose of reading a belligerent quote if it really didn't reflect his views? Such lies only add insult to injury. And these are the people who pose to be the champions of love and peace! Unless this is an innovated method of propagating 'love' in acordance with the vatican's political clout, I'm surely not acquainted with such an approach to 'love, peace or intellualism.'


In any case, a faith that has itself perpetrated the type of horrendous intolerance as seen in the History of the Inquisition for over 7 centuries all over Europe has little right to defame others with slanderous quotes such as that of a 14th century Byzantine authoritarian.

[naseeha]

This is wrong in the sight of Allah. A muslim cannot go around killing non muslims just like that.


However interesting enough. the article does not give any support to link the killing with the pope's foolish speech.


The only thing that was given was the fact that there was a speech condemning it some time before


and the SPECULATION of witnesses,


But Allah knows best what actually transpired.


More facts must be given before a proper detemination is made

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


i d like to welcome sister Niema to the board, may Allah Makes your stay beneficial and Alhamdulelah for becoming a muslim.


Sister Zainab long time no see, welcome back.


CC I dont think I can add much, but quoting a verse from Quran would be much better:


"<b>And do not kill anyone which Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause</b>
And whoever is killed (intentionally with hostility and oppression and not by mistake), We have given his heir the authority [(to demand Qisas, Law of Equality in punishment or to forgive, or to take Diya (blood money)]. But let him not exceed limits in the matter of taking life (i.e he should not kill except the killer only). Verily, he is helped (by the Islamic law)." (Quran 17:33)


As u can see, kill anyone. A general command.

[AlShamms]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


i d like to welcome sister Niema to the board, may Allah Makes your stay beneficial and Alhamdulelah for becoming a muslim.


Sister Zainab long time no see, welcome back.


CC I dont think I can add much, but quoting a verse from Quran would be much better:


"<b>And do not kill anyone which Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause</b>
And whoever is killed (intentionally with hostility and oppression and not by mistake), We have given his heir the authority [(to demand Qisas, Law of Equality in punishment or to forgive, or to take Diya (blood money)]. But let him not exceed limits in the matter of taking life (i.e he should not kill except the killer only). Verily, he is helped (by the Islamic law)." (Quran 17:33)


As u can see, kill anyone. A general command.

Peace......


....Kill anyone "EXCEPT FOR A JUST CAUSE". Now the question is, who decides what cause is just? The gunman may have decided he was justified because of the statements made by the Pope. Or the terrorist feels justified by the preceived oppression from "the west".


Niema.....


You say the Pope quoted material that was a lie. How can another man's opinion be a lie? Also, you state that muslims are staring down the barrel of a gun in the hands of fundamentalist Christians. It's funny how you condemn someone for making broad brush statements then turn right around and do it yourself. The people who are attacking Islam aren't any more Chrisitan than you are. They use the Chrisitan faith to shield their evil deeds....sound familiar? Don't assume that Chrisitanity is trying to wipe Islam and most middle eastern people off the map based on those who by their ways and actions, prove that they are no follower of Christ. One last thing, don't try to justify his actions by saying perhaps he was afraid. There is nothing an old woman can do to any strong young man that would strike so much fear in him that he shoot her in the back.


Zainab.....


Simply because someone speaks without thinking is NO EXCUSE for someone to act in such a manner as the gunman. Especially when his religion teaches him to not kill innocent people. Unless ofcourse you are of the mind that if they claim anything other than Islam, they are not innocent. But ofcourse you don't think that way...that is how people who can be termed "extreemists" think. Lastly, you say "a faith" as if the faith has anything to do with how people misrepresent it. I find it extremly funny how once again, some people become offended by off color comments, cartoons in a newspaper, and yet, turn right around and commit the same offenses.


Shammms

[Curious Christian]

I am glad that this man is condemned.


I don't know what to think about what the Pope said. I think, historically, and correct me if I am wrong...but Islam was largely spread by the sword. Not necessarily by compulsion, but by conquest. Did not Mohammed successor successfully take over much of the arab world by force?

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah

I am glad that this man is condemned.


I don't know what to think about what the Pope said. I think, historically, and correct me if I am wrong...but Islam was largely spread by the sword. Not necessarily by compulsion, but by conquest. Did not Mohammed successor successfully take over much of the arab world by force?

talking historically? then you have to ask yourself the followings:


1. Why did people embrace Islam in the early days when the faithful were subjected to all sorts of trials, tribulations, and persecutions? <b>They were even forced to flee their homes and possessions in order to secure freedom of conscience to practice their religion of choice. who forced them</b> ?


2. How do you explain the historical fact that in virtually all of the conquered territories such as Iraq, Syria, Iran, and Egypt, an enormous number of people entered Islam quite willingly <b>even though they were allowed to remain as they were: Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians</b>, and so on?


3. The Spanish Inquisition instituted against the Muslims and the Jews is a historical fact. Why did many preferred to opt for expulsion or death instead of conversion to Christianity?


4. As the European historians have recorded, thousands and thousands of both Muslims and Jews were slaughtered by the Crusaders in the holy lands; the blood of the victims ran knee deep in the streets of the holy land. <b>Why didn’t they choose to embrace Christianity in order to escape their miserable fate?</b>


5. There are today over 1. 5 billion Muslims in the world coming as they are from diverse racial, ethnic, and religious backgrounds. you ought to ask yourself: Why did such a huge mass of humanity embrace a faith <b>which allegedly teaches such crude notions</b>? <b>Why did they forgo their allegedly superior beliefs and practices?</b>


6. How do you explain the fact that Islam is still the fastest growing religion in the world in spite of the horrendously negative image of Islam and Muslims that is often projected?


7. Newspapers in Great Britain report that an increasingly large number of men and women are converting to Islam in Great Britain in spite of the extremely negative publicity against Islam. The irony is that the majority of those who embrace Islam are women, despite the fact that the media project them as the most disadvantaged in Islam. <b>Whose sword is driving them to join the fold of Islam?</b>


8. Finally, those who allege that Islam was spread through the sword may do well to read an excellent study on the spread of Islam by a former Christian missionary to India and a late professor of Islamic studies at Aligar Muslim University, namely <b>Thomas Arnold; his work is entitled The Preaching of Islam.</b>


if you don’t do the job in order to come to a conclusion, then don’t bother yourself and others.


[Had your Lord willed, all the people on earth would have believed. <b>So can you (Prophet) compel people to believe</b>?] (Yunus 10: 99).


[say, ‘Now the truth has come from your Lord: <b>Let those who wish to believe in it do so, and let those who wish to reject it do so’</b>] (Al-Kahf 17: 29).


[so (people) respond to your Lord before there comes a Day that cannot, against God’s will, be averted—you will have no refuge on that Day, and no possibility of denying (your sins). If they still turn away (remember that) <b>We have not sent you (Prophet) to be their keeper: your duty is to deliver the message</b>] (Ash-Shura 42: 47-48).


[<b>There is no compulsion in religion: true guidance has become distinct from error, so whoever rejects false gods and believes in Allah has grasped the firmest hand-hold, one that will never break. Allah is all hearing and all knowing</b>] (Al-Baqrah 2: 256).


Salam


Wael

[Deen]

Peace......


....Kill anyone "EXCEPT FOR A JUST CAUSE". Now the question is, who decides what cause is just? The gunman may have decided he was justified because of the statements made by the Pope. Or the terrorist feels justified by the preceived oppression from "the west".

Good question AlShamms, who does decide what cause is just?


As a human being we cannot decide what is just or unjust due to our limitations, biase, hatred or prejudices etc.


Someone who is the opposite of creation and is nothing like the creation has the right to decide what is just and that someone is Allah SWT. The one who created man, life, universe and everything beyond that.


Firstly, we do not know the real reason why this man killed the nun then we will know if it was just or not. For example, a just cause would be protecting ones life, property or honour as defined by Allah SWT. IF the man killed the nun due to the pope's speach then that is unjustified as the nun is innocent as defined by Allah SWT.


Secondly, the pope surely must have knew what trouble and outrage this would cause. However, this pope has had meetings behind closed doors with both Bush and Blair who use such language as the pope did.


The questions is, who writes the speeches for the pope, himself?

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


Welcome back deen, pls check your pm, which are sitting there since a long time.


now back to our core of interest. Not every situation appears in the manner you perceive it.


CC and Shamms, I m Egyptian living in Egypt among a Copt (Nasara who are called here as Orthodox). And of course you are aware that historically, Egypt was opened by the Muslim army at the time of Omar's reign. But let me explain and of course this in no way an under estimation to your knoweldge. Just bringing the info forward.


Are you aware that the Muslim army didnt move toward Egypt willingly, but rather Omar received an SOS from the Egyptian Coptic community who were under serious oppression by the Roman Catholics. They wanted to force them into abanding their sect as being Orthodox and join Catholisim by force. If u search Roman Emperors and a number of saints, you will come accross this fact. So Egyptian Copts were seriously oppressed, tortured, ..etc in order to join Catholisim. Knowing that Muslims dont force anyone into their faith, they sent for help from Omar. He sent an army headed by Amr Ibn Al A`as, who even tried his best to evade fighting. Copts lived side by side with Muslim, nothing was touched of their worship places. But you know what CC and shamm, the number of Copts went down because many of them embraced Islam willingly. BTW, modern Copts know this very well.


Just for the record.