Wow

[Suhail]

Muslimah sorry but if he disrespects the prophet saw i will do something about it , the way i see it is that he just leaves coz he is not going to change his opinion , u cannot allow a person like that who has such an opinion of our prophet saw to be amongst us , either u ban the guy from the board or i bring the whole board down for a week.......


p.s if u dont ban him i will start a petition to ban him from this board , i dont care if he is going to respect the muslims blah blah i dont care , how can he respect us if he doesnt respect our prophet ? the way i see it is that in my heart i am going to do the best to my ability to do something about the guy who disrespects our prophet saw.


i dont even want him on the board anymore even if he says he will tread lightly with regards to our prophet saw and try to respect the muslims.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom all


i was going to suppliment my post waiting for the rest of my brothers and sisters to read and say their words. In some cases, when i banned non believers, people openly objected that we must give them space.


<b>However, what I was going to warn CC about is that, he is most welcome to stay but he has to revise the rules. He is not allowed, under any circumstances to slander Allah, the messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam.</b>



understanding their situation which proves Quran is correct is something, and allowing them to slander Allah and the Messenger is something else.


So Alhamdulelah I m so happy that my post triggered this attitude from my brothers and sisters.


If he accepts our conditions he is most welcome other wise he will not be allowed in.


One more thing, whether or not CC likes it Mohamed salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam will remain a challenge for being the best man who walked on this earth. May Allah Send the best prayers and peace upon him till the Day After.


Will wait for CC decision.


Jazakum Allah khairan all for this firm position Alhamdulelah, may Allah Keeps us always unit.


Plus the most important thing is that Sobhan Allah, Allah Made CC against his will a proof for the authenticity of Quran:


"O you who believe! Take not as (your) advisors and protectors those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Signs if you understand." Quran 3:118


Dear brother Wel-mel, of course they did disrespect him, they even declared it openly:


'And they say: "Why is not this Qur'an sent down to some great man of the two towns (Makkah and Ta'if)?" (Quran 43:31)


Thus, he is not doing anything differently, however, he is not allowed to do it here.


I assure you brothers and sisters, Suhail is requesting to ban him, let me know about the rest of the members on this thread. If he apologizes or else shall I just ban him.


Matter of fact, i m with banning I wanted to keep my opinion so as not to be a factor of pressure. But I will wait for the rest.


Insh aAllah i will check this thread after a while.


Just an additional note,

[Curious Christian]

You know...it's not worth it.


So that I never offend you, I'll stay out.


But one last word...honest last word this time...


You must understand that non-Muslims and especially Christians are not going to respect your prophet. Like Muslimah said...it is to be expected. So, if you are going to have a board like this and encourage discussion you can't possibly expect non-believers to think that Mohammed was the greatest man that ever lived. In other words, it may do you well to grow thick skin about it. Many people hate Jesus. I respond by prayer for that person because if I love that person I'll want them to enjoy God forever and worship Him in truth.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


CC before u go, I think u contradict yourself, really, how can u openly express that u respect Muslims while u disrespect their Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam?


We are Muslims, as u respect us, because we are constantly trying to follow what the message he was sent with from Allah. Thus, if u respect Muslims, it is implied that u do respect Mohamed prayer and peace be upon him. We are who we are, just like Nasra told u, because we are trying to follow his teachings. I think I just re phrased wael's statement, but just to stress this point.


Wael, he is here to meet his followers because he wanted to learn more. We cannt tell people why are coming to meet us if u dont belive in Islam.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah:


. So am not sure why CC is going again to ask about Islam while he is not willing to listen to the person who brought this beautiful message!!!


I can accept CC’s return to our board under <b>one condition
</b>.. That he don’t even <b>"utter"</b>
a word of disrespect ever again about our beloved Prophet pbuh. If he truly disrespect him, then he should not <b>SHOW</b> this disrespect if he is willing to respect MUSLIMS <b>as he mentioned in his post.</b>


Salam


Wael.

Bismillah


as salam alykom Wael, may be this situation allows us to learn something, I m not claiming to be better than anyone here of my brothers and sisters. No way, but again, this situation brings us to the fact that sometimes we tend to give much attention and focus to only one person even if this person is repeating his/her self or others.


Let us ponder and learn.


Again, I do echo CC words, yes we can never expect them to respect the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam. bTW the mintue anyone resepcts him, specially if he is a Nasarni, the minute it means that he is a Muslim. Since the whole conflict lies in Allah, logically speaking, Shall not Send more Messenger after sacrificiing what they claim to be his son (may Allah Forgive me).


Just think about this again Wael, you will be able to sea the reasoning.


This is what they said about him Wael:





<b>"Is it wonder for humankind that We have sent Our Inspiration to a man from among themselves (i.e. Prophet Muhammad) (saying): "Warn humankind (of the coming torment in Hell), and give good news to those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah and in His Prophet Muhammad) that they shall have with their Lord the rewards of their good deeds?" (But) the disbelievers say: "This is indeed an evident sorcerer (i.e. Prophet Muhammad and the Qur'an)!" (Quran 10:2)</b>


<b>"And they (Arab pagans) wonder that a warner (Prophet Muhammad) has come to them from among themselves! And the disbelievers say: "This (Prophet Muhammad) is a sorcerer, a liar." (Quran 38:4).
</b>


"<b>Or do they say: "He (Muhammad) has forged it?" Say: "Bring then a Surah like unto it, and call upon whomsoever you can, besides Allah, if you are truthful!"</b>





11:13


أَمْ يَقُولُونَ افْتَرَاهُ قُلْ فَأْتُواْ بِعَشْرِ سُوَرٍ مِّثْلِهِ مُفْتَرَيَاتٍ وَادْعُواْ مَنِ اسْتَطَعْتُم مِّن دُونِ اللّهِ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ


<b>Or they say, "He (Prophet Muhammad) forged it (the Qur'an)." Say: "Bring you then ten forged Surah like unto it, and call whomsoever you can, other than Allah (to your help), if you speak the truth!"
</b>



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<b>11:35
</b>


أَمْ يَقُولُونَ افْتَرَاهُ قُلْ إِنِ افْتَرَيْتُهُ فَعَلَيَّ إِجْرَامِي وَأَنَاْ بَرِيءٌ مِّمَّا تُجْرَمُونَ



Or they (the pagans of Makkah) say: "He (Muhammad) has fabricated it (the Qur'an)." Say: "If I have fabricated it, upon me be my crimes, but I am innocent of (all) those crimes which you commit."
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<b>21:5
</b>


بَلْ قَالُواْ أَضْغَاثُ أَحْلاَمٍ بَلِ افْتَرَاهُ بَلْ هُوَ شَاعِرٌ فَلْيَأْتِنَا بِآيَةٍ كَمَا أُرْسِلَ الأَوَّلُونَ



Nay, they say: "These (revelations of the Qur'an which are inspired to Muhammad) are mixed up false dreams! Nay, he has invented it! Nay, he is a poet! Let him then bring us a Sign like the ones (Prophets) that were sent before (with signs)!"




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What more do u want Wael, to see how CC and the like are really serving islam against their will? They are applying the Quran which must remain functioning till the Day After.



Isnt this exactly what CC is saying that Mohamed prayer and peace be upon him composed the Quran.



Alhamdulelah, that Allah Makes them prove the validity of Quran.



Cannt u see brothers and sisters the good which came out of his open declaration?

[Dan]

Bismillah


If uttering things against Islam automatically got people kicked off then JD would have been gone (and stayed gone) by now.


I love the Prophet, period. I hate to see him disrespected. My blood boiled at the words CC wrote but... if the Prophet can have refuse piled in front of his door, have animal guts thrown on him, be choked, beated, watch those he loved beaten and abused, we can IN THE FULL INTEREST OF DAWAH keep calling to those who abuse our Prophet.


I appreciate the approach that Nasra took and Muslimah. CC even said it... he does not like Jesus being abused either. Maybe he feels "safe" to make such comments bc he knows we would never "retaliate" by slandering the one whom he holds dear bc we also hold him dear.


To sum it up... I HATE our Prophet being slandered... no question. If one could see how my jaw tightened, but then I remember what our Prophet would do In the name of Dawah.


I forget who was abusing him but Our Rasool and Abu Bakr were sitting together and this woman came up and started abusing Abu Bakr, calling him all kinds of nasty things. Abu Bakr took it patiently. The woman then started abusing the Prophet. Abu Bakr jumped up and started defending Muhammad (saws) and got very angry. The Prophet got up to leave. Abu Bakr asked where he was going. The Prophet said that the angels were hanging around when Abu Bakr was showing patience but when he got angry they left and the Prophet does not hang out where there are no angels. (Did the Prophet get mad when he was being lambasted by this women?)


Insha'Allah I have not offended anyone... If I have please forgive me. Astaghfirullah


As Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


I forget who was abusing him but Our Rasool and Abu Bakr were sitting together and this woman came up and started abusing Abu Bakr, calling him all kinds of nasty things. Abu Bakr took it patiently. The woman then started abusing the Prophet. Abu Bakr jumped up and started defending Muhammad (saws) and got very angry. The Prophet got up to leave. Abu Bakr asked where he was going. <b> The Prophet said that the angels were hanging around when Abu Bakr was showing patience but when he got angry they left and the Prophet does not hang out where there are no angels. (Did the Prophet get mad when he was being lambasted by this women?)Insha'Allah I have not offended anyone... If I have please forgive me. Astaghfirullah</b>


As Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu

jazakum Allah khairan for this Dan

[Dan]

Bismillah


As Salam alaikum


A khateeb gave a good khutbah that still resounds in my ears...


A man was doing something improper. A few muslims approached him and started correcting him by demeaning him and being angry. The man said, "Allah commanded Musa and Haroon to go to Fir'aun and warn and speak nicely. You are not better than Musa and Haroon and I am not worse that Fir'aun."


Subhannallah. For what its worth


As Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:


You all got me wrong.


I didn’t ask for banning CC nor did I expect him to respect our beloved prophet pbuh.. all what I was trying to say is that <b>he should not show this disrespect on this board</b> in order to keep our discussion healthy without any violation.

You must understand that non-Muslims and especially Christians are not going to respect your prophet.

You are totally wrong or maybe you are not aware of the <b>so many Non Muslims </b> <b>‘especially Christians’</b> who do respect Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Anyway, am not begging you to respect him, but am not allowing you to show this disrespect on this board or else you can simple leave it.

Again, I do echo CC words, yes we can never expect them to respect the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam. bTW the mintue anyone resepcts him, specially if he is a Nasarni, the minute it means that he is a Muslim.

I think this is a misconception sister, I know of so many Christians who do respect and revere the Prophet of Islam. during the conference that took place few months ago in Denmark, and after Amr Khaled and Dr Tareq Sweedan’s speeches and debates with the Danish people, next day the Danish people declared on TV and news papers that <b>“MUHAMMAD PBUH IS A GREAT MAN”</b> And they are still Non Muslims
!!!

Wael, he is here to meet his followers because he wanted to learn more. We cannt tell people why are coming to meet us if u dont belive in Islam.

Am not asking him <b>to believe in Islam </b> before asking sister, am just confused of his contradictory statements about respecting Muslims but disrespecting our Prophet.. he is most welcome
to <b>ask and learn </b> about Islam, <b>but he is not allowed to speak ill
</b> of our Prophet Muhammad pbuh
<strong>if he is really willing to learn.
</strong>

<strong>
A person who was
</strong><b><strong> ‘curious’
</strong></b><strong> to know about Islam went to the mosque to see how Muslims pray, then in the middle of the mosque he started to say that Muhammad pbuh
</strong><b><strong>was one of the most evil men that has ever walked the earth
</strong></b><strong>.. will you call such person
</strong><b><strong>curious and wants to learn
</strong><strong>?
</strong></b><strong> i really doubt...
</strong>

<strong>
am going to stick to my opinion.. he is most welcome here but
</strong><b><strong>he is not allowed to show his disrespect to our beloved Prophet ever again
</strong></b><strong>.. otherwise there is no point for him to stay...
</strong>

<strong>
this is my personal humble opinion, and may Allah forgive me if am wrong.
</strong>

<strong>
Salam
</strong>

<strong>
Wael.
</strong>

[NaSra]

Bismilah


Asalamalaikum to my Brother's and Sister's in Islam, and Peace CC


Masha'Allah it's such a beauty to see our differences on this thread Alhamdulilah. I mean some of you brought firmness, others tolerance and Humility MashaAllah.


How you correct one another, remind each other of the importance of tolerance in Islam, is truly such a beautiful sight to watch. Makes you wonder how a man's blood can boil yet at the same time write a hadith of Humility, that requires mental capacity and strength.


Reminds me of Abu Bakr, Uthman, Umar Ibn Al-Khatab, Khalid Ibn Walid. :D


May Allah reward you all for your endurance.


Please don't ban him, Allah keeps bringing back this man for a reason. :).


I love you all. :wub: