Mohammed

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:


I don’t want to argue over this again, I’ve given you the quotation from the OT and the NT of the Arabic Bible where the word Allah NOT Elah, Not Elli.. BUT ALLAH do exist in that Bible. am not making false claims, you see false claim is when I announce some news without supporting what I say with some evidence. But I’ve given you the quotations from your own Bible which your Christians brothers used all over Arabia.


I just want you to find any Arab Christian and ask him about this if you don’t believe me.


Let us stick to the original topic.


Salam.


Wael.

[Curious Christian]

Bismillah:


I don’t want to argue over this again, I’ve given you the quotation from the OT and the NT of the Arabic Bible where the word Allah NOT Elah, Not Elli.. BUT ALLAH do exist in that Bible. am not making false claims, you see false claim is when I announce some news without supporting what I say with some evidence. But I’ve given you the quotations from your own Bible which your Christians brothers used all over Arabia.


I just want you to find any Arab Christian and ask him about this if you don’t believe me.


Let us stick to the original topic.


Salam.


Wael.

I didn't mean to accuse you of a lie when I said you spoke falsely. Sure, maybe some modern Arabic texts use the word Allah. The original Greek does not say Allah or anything even close. "Allah" the word wasn't introduced to the world to describe God until Mohammed. The spread of Islam effected later Arabic translations. I challenge you, in a friendly way, to show me that Allah is in the bible using the original Greek and Hebrew only.


I didn't bring up the subject of the Bible in this thread...you did. But I digress.


To steer the thread back on topic let me ask the following...


Did Mohammed always know that he was a prophet of Allah? When he started having his visions and revelations was that a surprise to him? Or did he know of his station as Prophet from childhood? I ask to contrast to Jesus. It's clear from early on Jesus' life that he new his position.

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:

I didn't mean to accuse you of a lie when I said you spoke falsely. Sure, maybe some modern Arabic texts use the word Allah. The original Greek does not say Allah or anything even close. "Allah" the word wasn't introduced to the world to describe God until Mohammed. The spread of Islam effected later Arabic translations. I challenge you, in a friendly way, to show me that Allah is in the bible using the original Greek and Hebrew only.

Ok, first let me clarify something, the word Allah was used even by the pagans before the advent of Islam. This was the proper term to address God Almighty ever since, it was <b>not</b> introduced by Muhammad pbuh as you said. The word Allah is even mentioned in the Hindu scriptures.


If the term Allah is not to be found in the original Greek or Hebrew, then why the Arabic Bibles contains the word Allah in reference to God Almighty in both the OT and the NT?


Now you are challenging me to show you the word Allah in the Hebrew or the Greek Bible. <b>Do you even understand Hebrew or Greek</b>? You are reading your Bible in English, yet the smart Christians missionaries have removed the word<b> Alah</b> from their Bible <b>AV (the Authorized Version of the Bible)</b> and replaced it with the term <b>Elohim</b> instead. which means, <b>Alah is same as Elohim </b> Does the word Alah sounds like Allah? Yes. Alhamdulelah this is enough proof that the word Allah does exist in the Bible.

I didn't bring up the subject of the Bible in this thread...you did. But I digress.

its ok.


To steer the thread back on topic let me ask the following...

Did Mohammed always know that he was a prophet of Allah? When he started having his visions and revelations was that a surprise to him? Or did he know of his station as Prophet from childhood? I ask to contrast to Jesus. It's clear from early on Jesus' life that he new his position.

There are many unusual events have been recorded about Muhammad's (pbuh) birth and childhood:


- His mother said <b>"When he was born, there was a light that issued out of my pudendum and lit the places of Syria." </b>


- Also at the time of his birth, <b>"...fourteen galleries of Kisra's palace cracked and rolled down, the Magians' sacred fire died down and some churches on Lake Sawa sank down and collapsed." </b>


-His foster family had many experiences of amazingly good luck while he was in their care. and As a young child, the angel Jibril visited him, ripped his chest open, removed his heart, extracted a blood clot from it, and returned him to normalcy.


Those events indeed have an effect on his life and that's why he was always looking for an answer to what had happened to him, till the Prophet (pbuh) received the first revelation at the age of 40, of course impact of this incident was so great that it literally shook him up. He went to his wife Khadijah his beloved wife, and asked her for support and for her opinion, She responded in the most appropriate manner. She said:

"Be steadfast and have good news. By the one who has khadijah's soul in His hand, I<b> wish you become the Prophet of the this nation</b>. By God, <b>God will never let you down. You are kind to the kin, you are truthful in your word, you carry the weak, you host your guest, and you support the afflicted." </b>

Salam


Wael.

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:


By the way, i found the following to be very interesting.


The word for God in Genesis 1:1 is <b>elohim,</b> which is essentially a plural form of a more basic root-Hebrew word for God, (eloh).


Furthermore, as we said earlier, the Arabic translation of the Jewish Bible uses the name "<b>Allah" to refer to God in Genesis 1:1</b>


If one were to find the word <b>(eloh) (alef-lamed-heh)</b> in an inscription written in paleo-hebrew, aramaic, or some sort of Nabatean script, it could be pronounced numerous ways without the diacritical marks to guide the reader.


When treated as a verb root, this letter combination (proncounced alah) is the root for the verb "to swear" or "to take an oath," as well as the verb "<b>to deify" or "to worship" </b>


[look up alef-lamed-heh (<b>ALH</b>) in <b>Milon Ben-Y'hudaah, Ivri-Angli (Ben Yehuda's Hebrew-English Dictionary</b>)]. The root itself finds its origin with an older root, el, <b>which means God, deity, power, strength..</b>


So, one of the basic Hebrew words for God, (eloh), can easily be pronounced <b>alah</b> without the diacritical marks. Not surprisingly, <b>the Aramaic word for God</b>, is <b>(alah). </b>


This word, in the standard script (), or the Estrangela script (), is spelled alap-lamad-heh <b>(ALH), which are the exact corresponding letters to the Hebrew eloh. </b>


The Aramaic is closely related to the more ancient root word for God, <b>eel</b> (according to Robert Oshana's on-line introduction to basic Assyrian Aramaic at www.learnassyrian.com).


The Arabic word for God, Allah, is spelled in a very similar way, and is remotely related to the more generic word for deity, ilah. We're quickly starting to notice the obvious linguistic and etymological connections between the respective words for God in these closely related Semitic languages (e.g. Allah, Alah, and Eloh being related to Ilah, Eel, and El, respectively).


Let me make it more clear....


<b>- We have made the connection in terms of spelling, as all these words are spelled similar to one another.</b>


- The geographic connection is there, as these respective languages originate in regions that are very close to one another.


- The roots are also basically the same.


- The meanings are essentially the same.


In conclusion, <b>the ancient Semitic names for God (Allah and Elohim) are actually the same.</b>


<b>By the way, all the above is taken from the lips of people who speaks Hebrew, in fact Hebrew is their mother tongue, and one day they were practicing the religion of Judaism.</b>


Here is the source for your reference. Jews for Allah


NOTE: if you still wish to continue discussing this topic, then I guess we better start new thread. Thanks.


Salam


Wael.

[Musleemah]

That raises an interesting question. If he named Mohammed on the day that Adam was created than Allah must have known about the Jews supposed forgetting of Allah and even the Christians worshiping Christ right? Because, had the Jews kept Allah and had the Christians not worshiped Christ but accepted him as a prophet of Allah then Mohammed may not have been necessary?

Yes, Allah (God) knew everything before it happened.


He decreed everything that will happen.


Don't you Christians believe in predestination?

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:


watch Muhammad pbuh from A to Z.. presented by Yusuf Estes:





Muhammad PBUH from A to Z


Salam


Wael.

[Curious Christian]

So Eliom and Allah sound and spell alike.


Why then did Jesus, as presented in the original.


<b>Matthew 27:45 </b>


Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.


46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, <b>Eli, Eli,</b> lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?


47 Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, <b>This man calleth for Elias.</b>


Jesus was speaking a combined use of Aramaic and Syriac, which is the alleged foundation of the Aramaic from Chaldea where the present day Baith Catholic Church is located, in Syria and in Iraq. Jesus used the Hebrew name for God, El, and he added the possessive suffix, i. Thus, Eli, or "My God."


People heard him cleary say Eli Eli even asking who Elias was.


Surely Jesus, if he was a Prophet of Allah, would use his real name.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


To be very honest, I just skimmed thru the thread, I didnt get a chance to look into all the replies.


Curious, for better understand on this topic specially, of course besides the link Wael gave u, pls look into this thread;


http://islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=1559


As u can see, we did have those questiones before, and for the benefit of every one we even pinned the thread.


http://islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=1559

[Musleemah]

So Eliom and Allah sound and spell alike.


Why then did Jesus, as presented in the original.


<b>Matthew 27:45 </b>


Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.


46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, <b>Eli, Eli,</b> lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?


47 Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, <b>This man calleth for Elias.</b>


Jesus was speaking a combined use of Aramaic and Syriac, which is the alleged foundation of the Aramaic from Chaldea where the present day Baith Catholic Church is located, in Syria and in Iraq. Jesus used the Hebrew name for God, El, and he added the possessive suffix, i. Thus, Eli, or "My God."


People heard him cleary say Eli Eli even asking who Elias was.


Surely Jesus, if he was a Prophet of Allah, would use his real name.

Eli in Aramaic


Allah in Arabic


so it has to do with the language.


Arab Christians and Jews say "Allah", because they speak Arabic.


And whether it was Aramaic, Hebrew or Arabic , you will notice that they are very close.


And all of it means>> the one God who is the Creator of everything and who is the only One worthy of worship.


I hope that clearifies it.

[Curious Christian]

Eli in Aramaic


Allah in Arabic


so it has to do with the language.


Arab Christians and Jews say "Allah", because they speak Arabic.


And whether it was Aramaic, Hebrew or Arabic , you will notice that they are very close.


And all of it means>> the one God who is the Creator of everything and who is the only One worthy of worship.


I hope that clearifies it.

OK the words sound close. That doesn't prove anything.