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Question for Christian members
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 Bismillah as salam alykom We agree that worship rituals are there for us to connect with God. As I understand that the communion, is an important part of the Christian rituals, is when the worshiper drinks wine and eats certain type of baked bread symbolizing the blood and flesh of Jesus, inst this correct? Waiting for the reply
06-12-2006, 05:16 PM
Muslimah wrote: > As I understand that the communion, is an important part > of the Christian rituals, is when the worshiper drinks wine > and eats certain type of baked bread symbolizing the blood > and flesh of Jesus, isn't this correct? Many Christian denominations (for example, Baptists) would agree with what you wrote. Lutherans and Catholics would disagree with your use of the word "symbolizing." Lutherans and Catholics both believe that the ritual ("Sacrament", to use a more precise term) is not purely symbolic, but believe in the real presence of Christ's true body and blood in the elements of the Sacrament. In other words, Baptists believe that the bread and wine merely symbolize Christ's body and blood. Lutherans and Catholics believe that the presence of Christ is more than symbolic (although Lutherans and Catholics disagree over the exact way in which Christ is present in the bread and wine). Bismillah Thank u so much for getting back to me, alright just bear with me, both terms are fine as u explained. More on the same line, i understand that when you pray, u kneel in front of the alter where a statue of Jesus is usually present and to start praying u cross your heat or more precise draw the cross sign over your chest then start reciting the words. i know that in Protestant chruches, statues are not there. but the concept is the same, am I not right?
06-12-2006, 09:33 PM
Quote:Bismillah I care I care. Unfortunately, I have to work for a living and thus can't spend all day here. The sacrament is called Communion. Read the account of the last supper before Jesus was betrayed. Luke22 7Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, "Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover." 9"Where do you want us to prepare for it?" they asked. 10He replied, "As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters, 11and say to the owner of the house, 'The Teacher asks: Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?' 12He will show you a large upper room, all furnished. Make preparations there." 13They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover. 14When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15And he said to them, "I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God." 17After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, "Take this and divide it among you. 18For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes." 19And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me." 20In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. 21But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table. 22The Son of Man will go as it has been decreed, but woe to that man who betrays him." 23They began to question among themselves which of them it might be who would do this. 24Also a dispute arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest. 25Jesus said to them, "The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. 26But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. 27For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves. 28You are those who have stood by me in my trials. 29And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me, 30so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 31"Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you[a] as wheat. 32But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers." 33But he replied, "Lord, I am ready to go with you to prison and to death." 34Jesus answered, "I tell you, Peter, before the rooster crows today, you will deny three times that you know me." 35Then Jesus asked them, "When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?" "Nothing," they answered. 36He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37It is written: 'And he was numbered with the transgressors'; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment." 38The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That is enough," he replied. We also read later that we are commanded to do this as often as we may. We read that the early church would, "break bread" together which means celebrate the communion.
06-12-2006, 09:37 PM
Quote:Bismillah Catholics tend to have more liturgy in their worship. This does include a lot of tradition such as kneeling and making the sign of the cross. Neither of which is necessarily harmful or beneficial. That is just a worship preference. Prayer can be efficacious standing up, sitting down, lying down etc. As a Presbyterian we don't make the sign of the cross or kneel before a statue of Jesus. However, I don't see a problem with either in the Catholic church...as long as the kneeling to the statue doesn't constitute the worship of a graven image (which is sin)..... 
06-13-2006, 12:11 AM
Bismillah: Quote:However, I don't see a problem with either in the Catholic church...as long as the kneeling to the statue doesn't constitute the worship of a graven image (which is sin)..... dont you agree that kneeling down to status of 'Jesus' is a type of worship graven image? and also the commandments are clear in the Bible "DONT EVEN <b>MAKE ANY IMAGES OF GOD</b>". Salam Wael.
06-13-2006, 12:29 AM
Quote:Bismillah: I agree. That is why if you go to a Protestant church and they have a cross in the chapel the cross doesn't depict Christ on the cross. That is a problem for me and the Catholic church. I am still trying to discover why the do that.
06-13-2006, 03:14 AM
Bismillah: Quote:I agree. That is why if you go to a Protestant church and they have a cross in the chapel the cross doesn't depict Christ on the cross. That is a problem for me and the Catholic church. I am still trying to discover why the do that. They will never admit that they worship the idols by bowing down to them, touching them and crying infront of them. My mother in law finally gave away the images of "Jesus, Mary and Joseph" to her friends. She did not become a Muslim yet, but she realized that those images are useless. Salam Wael. Bismillah salam Thank u curious, of course I understand, we all work for living and cannt spend all day on here. Anyway, as such we can say that prayer including making the sign of the cross was not certainly made by jesus or his followers. Simply because the corss at that time didnt gain the position it has for being a symbole of sacrifice and suffering. Who decided then on the form of prayer? and as u said, I mean who actually commanded you as a christian how to worship your God? In other words, prayer's root, apart of course from the passage which goes like our father in heaven...etc, is not established by a divine passage. Am i not right? I m aware that the word prayer to u includes just making supplications. |
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