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Quote:As above. Jesus may have said he was the son of God, but did he mean literally that, or was he implying that he, and eveyone else, is God's child. It could be mistranslated, or just misinterpereted
I would think Muslimah is a woman. The clue is sort of in the name :)
you got it right arclight... the term 'son' or 'father' should not be taken literally or else we can apply the same thing to Adam and Melchisedec who were in my opinion greater than Jesus according to the Bible statements.
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Quote:you know why the number 72 is an issue to you? because you are only thinking of the sexual practice between the man or woman who is going to have those 72 Hoors
<b>I will bet you that is what is on the minds of the young men that put on the suicide vests and go off to kill as many people as they can</b>
Quote:the reward in Paradise is UNIMAGINABLE.
<b>I know what you mean. Jesus has told me that I cannot even imagine what it is like, but as long as He is there, that is enough for me.</b>
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Quote:we can apply the same thing to Adam and Melchisedec who were in my opinion greater than Jesus according to the Bible statements.
<b>Not sure who Melchisedec is, but Adam disobeyed God and his original sin continues down to all of us, while Jesus taught Love and was without Sin, regardless of whether you believe He was the Son of God</b>
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Quote:<b>I will bet you that is what is on the minds of the young men that put on the suicide vests and go off to kill as many people as they can</b>
Judge not, that ye be not judged. Matthew 7:1
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Bismillah:
Quote:<b>Not sure who Melchisedec is, but Adam disobeyed God and his original sin continues down to all of us, while Jesus taught Love and was without Sin, regardless of whether you believe He was the Son of God</b>
Melchisedec is the king of Salem, the Bible tells us that he possess the same qualities of God and yet you dont worship him as you do with Jesus.
this King of Salem.....<b>Melchisedec is without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life</b>; said the Bible in Hebrews chapter 7
as for Adam, he dont have any human father or mother, yet you dont worship him.
how about Jesus he have a human mother but no human father. anyone can notice who is greater and deserve to be worshipped.
May Allah forgive us all and make us worship Him alone and may He save us from the torment of Hell Fire . Ameen. :lailahaillallah:
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Quote:Melchisedec is the king of Salem, the Bible tells us that he possess the same qualities of God and yet you dont worship him as you do with Jesus.
<b>You are right. I don't worship Melchisedec, or Melchizedek as I spell it, as I do Jesus. I know that Jesus is the Son of God, and I have accepted him as my personal Saviour.</b>
There are some, particularly Mormans (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) who say that Melchizedek was Jesus. According to LDS tradition, Melchizedek's blessing of Abraham at Salem is a priesthood authority whose keys were restored to Joseph Smith along with the keys of Aaron's priesthood.
Some rabbinic (Jewish) scholars identify Melchizedek with Noah's son Shem. The account of Melchizedek given in the Dead Sea Scrolls has also divided scholars into two camps, one that touts his existence as a mortal man and another that identifies him with the archangel Michael. ]
Quote:this King of Salem.....<b>Melchisedec is without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life</b>; said the Bible in Hebrews chapter 7
as for Adam, he dont have any human father or mother, yet you dont worship him.
how about Jesus he have a human mother but no human father. anyone can notice who is greater and deserve to be worshipped.
<b>Neither Adam, Melchisedec/Melchizedek, the archangel Michael, Noah's son Shem, Aaron, nor Joseph Smith died on the cross to pay for my sins. I know the Quran said that Jesus did not die on the cross, but Muhammed was not there, and he probably got the story about Jesus "appearing to die" from some lying Jew that did not want to admit that they had crucified him. After Jesus was buried God raised him from the grave, in fulfillment of prophecy, and your Quran is right he was then raised up to Heaven alive</b>
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Quote:I will bet you that is what is on the minds of the young men that put on the suicide vests and go off to kill as many people as they can
Quote:Judge not, that ye be not judged. Matthew 7:1
<b>I have certainly sinned, and I will be judged for those sins, and will be happy to have Jesus Christ by my side at Judgement Day.</b>
But I have never put on a vest full of explosives or planted an Improvised Explosive Device to kill a number of innocents, including people of my own faith. I would assume that you would condem such actions, since Quran 4.93 says "If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him."
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Bismillah:
Quote:<b>You are right. I don't worship Melchisedec, or Melchizedek as I spell it, as I do Jesus. I know that Jesus is the Son of God, and I have accepted him as my personal Saviour.</b>
i have already proved to you from your own Bible that Jesus is not the savior and that GOD ALONE is our savior. So if you believe in him as your "PERSONAL" savior then im going to consider it as a "PERSONAL" matter, but that doesn’t have anything to do with what your Bible said.
Quote:There are some, particularly Mormans (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) who say that Melchizedek was Jesus. According to LDS tradition, Melchizedek's blessing of Abraham at Salem is a priesthood authority whose keys were restored to Joseph Smith along with the keys of Aaron's priesthood.
Some rabbinic (Jewish) scholars identify Melchizedek with Noah's son Shem. The account of Melchizedek given in the Dead Sea Scrolls has also divided scholars into two camps, one that touts his existence as a mortal man and another that identifies him with the archangel Michael. ]
im sorry, are you Mormon?
if Melchisedec was Jesus, then why the 'authors' of the Bible invented another name and attribute it to Jesus? why they just didnt call him Melchisedec all the way? to be honest with you, im not surprised with this kind of interpretation. in Christianity, the wine is called blood, the bread is called flesh, man is called divine, resurruction is called TEMPLE, and now Jesus is called Melchisedec. amazing.
Don, this is yet another very weak evidence that you have brought. Mormon!!! i've never seen any Christian who is using the Mormon authority to clarify something found in the Bible!!! this Church "The Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints" have twisted the 'words of God' and came up with another Gospel called "The Book of Mormon ANOTHER TESTAMENT OF JESUS CHRIST" and almost ALL Christians denominations have rejected their words. believe me Don, you have no idea about those Mormons, they totally go agains the teaching of the Bible and i might start another thread to show you some examples. Insha'Allah.
Quote:<b>Neither Adam, Melchisedec/Melchizedek, the archangel Michael, Noah's son Shem, Aaron, nor Joseph Smith died on the cross to pay for my sins. I know the Quran said that Jesus did not die on the cross, but Muhammed was not there, and he probably got the story about Jesus "appearing to die" from some lying Jew that did not want to admit that they had crucified him. After Jesus was buried God raised him from the grave, in fulfillment of prophecy, and your Quran is right he was then raised up to Heaven alive</b>
Not only the Qur'an which said that, the Bible also said that every man shall be put to death FOR HIS OWN SINS. So why God changed his mind and allowed Jesus to die for our sins? And remember that was against Jesus’ will.
And also, didn’t Jesus say <b>"And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."</b> so the condition of being forgiven by God is to forgive others and not by the death of Jesus. again this is what your Bible said in Mark 11. Also the same commandment was repeated in Luke 11.
as regarding to Muhammad pbuh that he <b>was not there </b> to tell us about what happened to Jesus pbuh, now i want you to tell me <b>who was there with Mary </b> when the Angel Gabriel visited her to announce the birth of her child Jesus pbuh? If you don’t believe of what Muhammad pbuh said regarding Jesus pbuh then why should you believe in what Mary said regarding the Angel Gabriel? No body was there in both occasions!!!
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Quote:But I have never put on a vest full of explosives or planted an Improvised Explosive Device to kill a number of innocents, including people of my own faith. I would assume that you would condem such actions, since Quran 4.93 says "If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him."[/b]
Yes we totally condemn such acts and our religion is totally against killing innocent people, that's why we always advise Non-Muslims NOT to compare Islam by the actions of some bad Muslims.
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Quote:i have already proved to you from your own Bible that Jesus is not the savior and that GOD ALONE is our savior. So if you believe in him as your "PERSONAL" savior then im going to consider it as a "PERSONAL" matter, but that doesn’t have anything to do with what your Bible said.
<b>You may believe that you have proved it to me, and you may have rejected my response to your "proof"</b>
Quote:im sorry, are you Mormon?
<b>No, nor am I Jewish, therefore I don't consider Melchizedek to be Noah's son Shem. I am a Christian</b>
Quote:if Melchisedec was Jesus, then why the 'authors' of the Bible invented another name and attribute it to Jesus? why they just didnt call him Melchisedec all the way? to be honest with you, im not surprised with this kind of interpretation. in Christianity, the wine is called blood, the bread is called flesh, man is called divine, resurruction is called TEMPLE, and now Jesus is called Melchisedec. amazing.
Don, this is yet another very weak evidence that you have brought. Mormon!!! i've never seen any Christian who is using the Mormon authority to clarify something found in the Bible!!! this Church "The Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints" have twisted the 'words of God' and came up with another Gospel called "The Book of Mormon ANOTHER TESTAMENT OF JESUS CHRIST" and almost ALL Christians denominations have rejected their words. believe me Don, you have no idea about those Mormons, they totally go agains the teaching of the Bible and i might start another thread to show you some examples. Insha'Allah.
<b>That is fine with me. I do not accept their beliefs, nor am I very worried about Melshisedec (regardless of how you spell it)</b>
Quote:Not only the Qur'an which said that, the Bible also said that every man shall be put to death FOR HIS OWN SINS. So why God changed his mind and allowed Jesus to die for our sins? And remember that was against Jesus’ will.
<b>I do not know why he decided to send His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. I am just thankful that he did </b>
Quote:And also, didn’t Jesus say <b>"And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."</b> so the condition of being forgiven by God is to forgive others and not by the death of Jesus. again this is what your Bible said in Mark 11. Also the same commandment was repeated in Luke 11.
<b>Yes he said that, before his death, but that does not negate what he was about to do. However those of us that have accepted Him as our Personal Saviour, do the best we can to do everything He urged us to do, not because they are necessary for our Salvation, but because He said we should do them</b>
Quote:as regarding to Muhammad pbuh that he <b>was not there </b> to tell us about what happened to Jesus pbuh, now i want you to tell me <b>who was there with Mary </b> when the Angel Gabriel visited her to announce the birth of her child Jesus pbuh? If you don’t believe of what Muhammad pbuh said regarding Jesus pbuh then why should you believe in what Mary said regarding the Angel Gabriel? No body was there in both occasions!!!
<b>When I get to Heaven, I will ask Luke who told him about Gabriel, but both Matthew and Isaiah said it would be a virgin birth.</b>
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