Qeustions About Muhammad

[Dan]

Bismillah


No, the campanions of the Prophet would have killed in the name of Allah, not Muhammad.


You brought up some muslim history on another thread so you probably already know about what muslims went through BEFORE any killing was permitted.


I mean, when those spouting anti-american slogans claiming that we don't belong in Iraq etc... is not the american reply, "They did it first?" "We are protecting ourselves and our way of life."


If you do not know about the history then, a good book to read that I read when I first looked into Islam was Haykal's "The Life of Muhammad." It has been in most regular bookstores that I have frequented. If you are interested, it is a pretty good resource for nonmuslims. Be warned... it is thick.

[Seraphim]

ok ok...they attacked for self defense. But y did the Messenger of Allah keep a fifth of the spoils to him self. The other prophets didnt seem to occupied with material goods. Its just that when non muslims talk about him, they make him seem more of a war general than a prophet. This is not my solid opinion becuase i know i havent read enough to be giving solid claims.


May the blessings of the true God be with all my brothers.


And by brothers i do mean mankind.


Sincerly,


Seraphim

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


salam


Dan I m on the prowl for off topic [img]style_emoticons/default/dry.gif[/img]


Any way I will make a reply then Insh aAllah split the thread and move the off topic part.


Seraphim, pls do stay on topic, if in any case u need to tackle another point, feel free to start a new thread pls.


Now as Dan told u yes, the Messenger did everything to leave us a lesson. He married, divorced, had children die, immigrated, ate, had sex etc. Whatever we need to know how and when we learn from him.


Now what is ex. Abu Afak) and I think Dan covered the killed in his name.


Seraphim, let me first tell u something, we do understand how non Muslims in some cases come to this or any other Muslims board with the intention to try and convince themselves they are correct.


We understand this. But we also respect your desire to know. So we do reply to your points with no bias. so let us keep it this way.


The killing Ayahs are clear I m sure u know them.


Moving to the war spoils issue. U actually brought up an excellent point.


why him and not the other prophets?


Thru Mohamed prayer and peace be upon him, Allah Established the final laws mankind must enforce. It has nothing to do with being a war general, if such he would have taken the spoils all to himself. Now Mohamed prayer and peace be upon him by a hadeeth was granted 5 advantages over other prophets and messengers: I will just list them from the top of my mind, if u want the hadeeth, I will dig it for u.


He was granted victory thru Allah throwing terror in the hearts of the enemy while he is still a distance of travelling that takes a month, he was send to the whole world not only his own people like every other prophet, war spoils were made lawful to him, he will be allowed to intercede, and earth was made to him a pure masjed.


Can u see the difference, being the final messenger, he was allowed things from Allah that were not allowed before. Allah always Wills to bestow mercy on mankind.


Allah Allowed him to benefit of war spoils because he was building a state, in which, he educated people, sent delegations to teach Islam like the one that went to Najran after the visit of the delegation of the priests. They needed the money to run the state. From this fifth, he also supported poor and those who are new to Islam.


Do u understand now. Mohamed prayer and peace be upon him, was not just a Messenger but rather as I said a leader, teacher, leader of Mujahedeen and more.

[Dan]

Bismillah


As Salam alaikum


Take note also of what possesions the Prophet died with. He had a piece of land that he gave in charity. His armor was mortgaged, so he could buy his family food. There was something else... anyone?


Basically, yes he got 1/5. Rather he was put in charge of 1/5. He rarely kept anything for himself. People would crowd around him because they knew of his generousity. One time he was crowded so much and people were taking, taking, taking that his mantle was taken. He told the crowd that he was happy to give the stuff away but could he please have part of his clothes back.


As he was distributing, a beudowin came to the Prophet and kept pulling at his clothes to the point where Muhammad, saws, was redfaced from the tension created around his neck. Finally, he asked the beudowin what he wanted. "Give me something of what you have?" he replied. "Why should I do that?" asked the Prophet considering the man was just choking him. The man of the desert said, "Because I heard that you are not one to hold grudges when you are wronged." The Prophet smiled and gave him something.


This beudowin purposefully hurt the Prophet to get some material good, admitted doing it, and the Prophet still gave generously.


The Prophet also said that if he had a pile of gold the size of mount Uhud, not one day would pass before it would be all spent for the sake of Allah.


After the thuhr prayer, the Prophet immediately got up and went to his house, then came back. The companions asked what was going on. He said that he had a piece of gold in his house and thought about it during prayer so he gave it away.


To me these are not the actions of a greedy man.


The examples go on. If you want to know more read "The life of Muhammad" by Haykal.


As Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu

[Seraphim]

Peace to my brothers,


I am not convining myself I am correct. I know literally nothing about Islam, other than what i have read on the internet and heard from very educated people, therefore i dont think i can actually make strong enough points to even convince myself. The more I ask then the more you reply, and that goes to go the more I learn (which i thank you for).


Its pretty easy to be generous with the spoils of war he gained, its not his stuff. But Dan does seem to say that he would give until he had nothing which is honorable.


Well on to the next question...Why do people say Muhammad had a tutor when he was younger who taught him about the Christian religion and why do muslims say it is false?


Sincerly,


Seraphim

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Salam all


I must apologize, I think while doing the mod duties I messed up with something here. I think about 3 posts were lost.


However I can summarize them because they lead to important points:


Seraphim in response to a point on the thread of Quran 61:1 wrote what means that Mohamed and his companions during the Bani Quraiza (Jewish tribe) battle killed all men and took all women as captives. Mohamed salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam took Rayhana for himself.


He stopped here.


Now to clear this point:


Bani qurayza had a covenant with the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam to defend the Muslims in Medina in case of any external aggression. Yet, when the Kufar prepared to invade Medina and attack the Muslims there, they breached this convenant and allied with the Kufar (during the battle of Ahzab = The parties or the Ditch). After Allah Granted victory to the Muslims over Ahzab, they were still in the battle field ready to go back when Arch Angle Jebreel brought an order from Allah for the Muslim to go after Bani Qurayza. Saad Ibn Mua`adh recalled how they received him with dirty language when he went to remind them of their agreement with the Muslims. Saad judged to kill their men and take the women as captives. The Messenger approved it.


The head of Bani Qurayza received this info and he gave his people 3 options:


either to believe in Mohamed which they find his description in Tawrah and know for sure he is the anticipated Messenger .


To kill their women and children and go out to fight them


To try and reconcile.


The conclusion is that the battle took place.


Regarding Rayhan, the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam took her for himself. He gave her a choice to free her and marry her, we will get to see why later on, but she turned this offer down and willingly preferred to remain as a slave under his possession and not to embrace Islam. He didnt push her for it..


Later on she embraced Islam willingly.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Seraphim, I m trying to keep the replies short in separate posts for better reading and understanding, pls keep asking no problem, this is good excercise for all of us. [img]style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]


If we take a look at Bani Mustaleq (another Jewish tribe) battle.


Information was brought to the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam through his assigned check points, who monitored many spots in order not to be surprised by an attack, that Bani Mustaleq are preparing to invade the Muslims and fight them. In return the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam prepared an army and went to invade Bani Mustaleq. They were granted victory over them. War captives were taken among whom was Juwairyia Bint Hareth who was head of the tribe. The Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam took her for himself, freed and married her. when the Muslims heard the news, they commented those are the in laws of the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam and voluntarily freed what they had in their possession of war captives.


Can u see the point Seraphim, he does not take anything for his own desire, but rather to fulfill an aim. He kind of knew that the Muslims would resepct his marital bond and free the captives.


It was only Rayhana's choice which prevented this from happening.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Peace


Regarding the Christian tutor, this is a probagated lie in order to accuse the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam of composing the Quran and coping it from Christian sources.


To this I can just give u one example that may refute this lie.


If the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam was taught by a Christian and composed the Quran from such sources, how can the Quran for example contain a full description of a sea storm:


"Or [the state of a disbeliever] is like the darkness in a vast deep sea, overwhelmed with a great wave topped by a great wave, topped by dark clouds, darkness, one above another, if a man stretches out his hand, he can hardly see it! And he for whom Allah has not appointed light, for him there is no light." (Quran 24:40)


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how can one compose a book and include strong admonishing verses that are even harsh warning such as:


"And if he (Muhammad) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allah swt),* We surely should have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might),* And then certainly should have cut off his life artery (Aorta),)" (Quran 69:44-46)


what a warning?


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the thread on Quran 61:1 stands as proof of the authenticity of Quran. I mean how can one compose a book that contains how he made a mistake and how to handle it. He would rather just cover it up.

[Seraphim]

"Or [the state of a disbeliever] is like the darkness in a vast deep sea, overwhelmed with a great wave topped by a great wave, topped by dark clouds, darkness, one above another, if a man stretches out his hand, he can hardly see it! And he for whom Allah has not appointed light, for him there is no light." (Quran 24:40)

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Whats so special about this? Many allusions to God and Light is written in the letters of the Apostles. "God is lights, and there is no darkness at all in him." 1 John Chapter 1 Verse 5 and then there are various others i can provide if any one requests.

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the thread on Quran 61:1 stands as proof of the authenticity of Quran. I mean how can one compose a book that contains how he made a mistake and how to handle it. He would rather just cover it up.

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Do Muslims then give full crediblity to the three books of Moses then? in their Moses reveals his own sins as well as the sins of his own people. Make it credible now?


Then we turn to the new testiment where the all the apostles except John desert Jesus in fear that they also may be arrested and punished? Thats a mistake and they didnt try to cover it up. Make it more credible?


Again in the bible, Jesus, the Son of God, shows his human side by asking God to remove the "cup of burden" from him. ALL translations come out to this point and the Apostles, or whomever they told the Good news of the lord to, could have easily covered it up. I guess that must be pretty credible as well then.


To conclude a warning like the one you metioned in clearly seen in the Book of Revalations and it just makes the piece for believable so nothing special there.


Sincerly,


Seraphim

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Peace Seraphim


You totally missed the point specially on the first Ayah, the Ayah is describing a strong sea wave.


I will not hijack the thread and turn on comparing between Quran and bible in terms of authenticity. If u want there are multiple threads already on Quran.


Let us continue on what u want to know about Mohamed salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam