A discussion about Israel and Quran

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom Radiyah


I dont think reepi is intending for this, really. Alhamdulelah we can differentiate between wrong and right. once I was making a search to reply to ronniv and was actually surprised with the number of sites including mis information versus those that introduce the correct ones.


So in brief, Alhamdulelah that people like reepi come here to take the correct info. At least we do put them on the board to reply to what is been posted as false.


If he is not convinced, this is totally different. Our duty ends when we put the info. We are not supposed to force him to accept it. And if does not accept it, but comes back with a reply from mis informing sites, we just say ok this is mis informing, like we did with ronniv.


Also I do understand what you want to say every time you try to explain about the Quran. But Radiyah again many may take such comment as no one can truly understand Quran unless they know arabic as making it impossible for non Arabic speakers to approach the read. Mash a Allah our raised Muslims in Malasya and Indonasia do read it and feel it. All those who reverted, for example Garry Miller, actually came to Islam after reading it.


Although Allah Revealed for every one to read. Not only Muslims. It is a book of challenge that all levels of intellect may understand. Actually this is the miracle. That the uneducated listen to it, understands it, the university graduate does read and understand more, and so on.

[radiyah]

Bismillah

Also I do understand what you want to say every time you try to explain about the Quran. But Radiyah again many may take such comment as no one can truly understand Quran unless they know arabic as making it impossible for non Arabic speakers to approach the read. Mash a Allah our raised Muslims in Malasya and Indonasia do read it and feel it. All those who reverted, for example Garry Miller, actually came to Islam after reading it.
Although Allah Revealed for every one to read. Not only Muslims. It is a book of challenge that all levels of intellect may understand. Actually this is the miracle. That the uneducated listen to it, understands it, the university graduate does read and understand more, and so on.

Sister M, Jazaky Allah khayr, but really I did not mean by my saying that they will not understand it totally, or it does not have en effect at all, of course it will have effect and it will keep on having effect until the end of time,but as u see how the word You here got reepi stressing that it is adressing the jews, and how scholars like palazzi is using the english language to distort the true meaning. so what I am talking about is the arabic structure and grammar, and I am sure u know that, and that is what Tajweed and tafseer scholars stress on, that a word misplaced might change the whole meaning or even The harakat on these words. I have read one article of an anti islamists and anti relegion also, attacking The Quran and Sunna by saying that we stress on the beauty of arabic language and they have a verse in the quran that is blunt ad scientifically wrong which is:


Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:


Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allâh) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness."
(Al-Kahf 18:86)


He looked at the underlined as non scientific and ignorant, and said if the sun sinks in the water then the earth will explode and burn since long time ago, and that Muhammad(PBUH) when he wrote this did not know that The sun was a ball of fire and just saw it as a shiny star. So here the sentence of course does not mean that matrialistic meaning he mistook it for, on the contrary this verse has a very precise and beautiful description of the situation, first it shows the beauty of the language by using expressive rhetoric, which means Allah is Describing exactly how the sun looked like at this time when it was setting, aand of course it did not really mean what that athiest explained as truly sinking in the water [img]style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif[/img] , and also the kind of land he reached and the description of the soil, that there were spring of black muddy hot water, some islamic scholars assumed that this land is in north america where there are geysers, and that in itself is proof of Prophet Muhammad prophethood, for how could he know what time Tho Al-Qarnayn reached that land and how it looked like because such muddy geysers are not found in the arabian penninsula, of course none told him but Allah (SWT), so as u see it is such verses that are misinterpreted. But we as arabs will know what it means the moment we read it.





That is what I am trying to say, I hope now u know what I mean, and I hope ones like reepi will try to accept what we are explaining to him if he is serious in learning. and u know really as u told him he keeps stressing that the Quran says that and this about christians and jews then we are saved, which means he really is taking The Quran seriously and accepting it as The true word of Allah:), may Allah enlighten his heart and the hearts of all those who are looking for the truth. Ameeeeeeeen


Salam

[reepicheep]

So, radiyah, according to Islamic theology, the passage in the koran <b>"when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy water"</b> is clearly predicting the existance of "Yellowstone National Park" in the USA, correct???


Is this interpretation universally accepted in Islamic theology???


Would any Muslim posters here on Islam Message care to comment on radiyah's claim?

[SisterJennifer]

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Asalaamu alikum all,


Sister Radiyah thanks for the posting this. Truly Quran is from Allah and no matter what is said or done against it by anybody it will remain always. Always there will be people to make distortions or try to make the people go astray, and maybe these people do a favor by causing us to remember Allah more. In the end what have they done but increase believers in their faith? And whatever their intentions, Allah will handle it all.


In this time when westren media presents alot of distortions about the Islamic faith people are still reverting. This in itself shows without a doubt that those who look for the truth will find it, no matter what people will put in the way. Allah is always there to guide the hearts. Alhumdulilah.


May Allah bless you all and shower his mercy on all of us, Ameen.


Love,


Jennifer

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


True jazaki Allah khairan Radiyah, just to explain more about the miracle of Quran. An illiterate may listen to it and know exactly what it means. while Allah Allows scholars and even ordinary people to complete each other's understanding of Quran. In other words, Allah Is Gracious thus Does not restrict His Mercy on only a group of people. But rather Expands it to cover more.


You may evern pray to Allah to grant you knowledge and Allah Surely will.


I m sure you heard, and this is for reepi, of non Muslim patients who listened to Quran in the USA and Sobhan Allah were healed versus another group who didnt listen and didnt attain much progress.


Quran is a miracle that no one can actually explain how.


As for Radiyah's post, I do know a bit about this Ayah. And I will not deny this explanation. Allah actually Willed for this book to contain things that are astounding to human beings to continue surprising people till the Day After.


So at the end yes a haraka (sign that are used to make the differentiation of sounds of letters) can make a difference. Yet still non Arabic speakers do get much affected and embrace Islam when they read it. This is actually what I wanted to stress, lest people may take your post my dear sister on a wrong meaning and of course out of concern for you, since I exactly know what you mean but sometimes we get carried out in the post wanting to convey the meaning, but miss a point.


jazaki Allah khairan katheeran my dear sister for all your effort.


reepi, just give us credit to be able to explain with the Assistance of Allah. [img]style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]

[radiyah]

So, radiyah, according to Islamic theology, the passage in the koran <b>"when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy water"</b> is clearly predicting the existance of "Yellowstone National Park" in the USA, correct???
Is this interpretation universally accepted in Islamic theology???


Would any Muslim posters here on Islam Message care to comment on radiyah's claim?

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Not neccesarily yellostone reepi [img]style_emoticons/default/huh.gif[/img]. There are geysers in yellow stone only?


I made a small search and look what I found :





http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~glennon/geysers/world.htm


well nothing any close to the middle east. So it could be anywhere in these spots only Allah knows, but for sure not in the arab peninsula. So why dont u stop that mockery tone of yours(that is what i feel, correct me if I am wrong), and start taking things a bit serious will u [img]style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif[/img] .


Peace


Sister J, thanks is for Allah(SWT) who gives us Ilm Alhamdulilah, and islam is strong no matter how they try to fight it and extinguish its light.[img]style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]


Sis M, insha'Allah now they will know what I mean, and I hope they will start looking from a more objective perspictive and listen to what we are explaining [img]style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]


salam

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


As for this part of the Ayah:


setting place of the sun, <b>he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot)</b> water.


I would use hot water spring. The meaning is so clear. As u posted it is just a precise and clear description of the place and shape the sun setts. Sobhan Allah.


BTW Radiyah this Ayah has been a subject of debate for a long time, but only from those who are striving to fabricate falsehood accusations against Quran.


Any non Arabic speaker would certainly understand that this is a type of metaphorism or symbolism. English language so is other languages has this type of eloquence. Quran being the top, no I d safely say the sole source of eloquence, is expected to contain such phrases.


If someone deliberately explains it as a scientific mistake, this is there own problem.


Radiyah, dont expect reepi to simply believe that Quran contains amazing and astounding exact descriptions of many other things, such as Yajouj and Majouj who are expected to appear on the end of time. He wouldnt easily accept that. Otherwise, he would embrace Islam.


Also I dont think he really means to mock you or anyone else. But rather when he is free of argument, but still unable to believe, he likes to make his denial sounds more louder for himself to be convinced.


Just give him this execuse Radiyah. [img]style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Peace


I found this article to be so relevant to the topic Radiyah introduced here:


http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/M.../ijaz.html


Insh aAllah I will post a link to more similar articles on the Quran authenticiy thread that ronniv started. I wonder where is she? hope she is fine.

[radiyah]

Bismillah

Also I dont think he really means to mock you or anyone else. But rather when he is free of argument, but still unable to believe, he likes to make his denial sounds more louder for himself to be convinced.
Just give him this execuse Radiyah. smile.gif

[img]style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img] no pro I will give him the excuse , jazaky Allah khayr for more clearance


salam

[AlShamms]

Peace, in following this thread, I missed where the verse in question was explained. I saw where some said the "you" in the verse can have more than one meaning....that's understood. What I'd like to know is how is the meaning of the word derived and what meaning is placed on "you" in this verse. Also, once the meaning of "you" in the verse in question is found, what then, is the verse saying?


I also saw where someone posted that "you" in the verse in question ment the children of Israel and their enemies....I'd like to know how the context is understood to come to that explination.