Bismillah:
Quote:wel_mel_2 wrote:
> Most of the Prophets peace be upon them sinned...
In Christian theology, all prophets with the exception of Jesus have sinned. In fact, all humans, with the exception of Jesus, have sinned. Can you give me some examples of prophets that Muslims claim did not sin?
> (INCLUDING JESUS PEACE BE UPON HIM
> ACCORDING TO YOUR BIBLE)
Where in the bible does it say that Jesus was a sinner?
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you see the Bible does not say Literally that he is sinners, but the actions that he have done and the words that he have uttered proves that he is indeed a sinner ( ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE)
you see in the Bible, Jesus promised for some <b>serious and major Prophecies </b>about the Hour to pass <b>before the generation of his disciples dies</b>.
The Prophecies never got fulfilled
! which give us indication that he was a lair which is a big sin. ( which we Muslims never believe this) Let us look at chapters Mark 13, Luke 9:23-27 and Revelation 3:11 in the NIV Bible:
ok before just showing you those verses let me make it clear, that Jesus peace be upon him in ISLAM is not the same jesus of the Bible.. my Jesus peace be upon him never lie.
Mark 13
Signs of the End of the Age
1 As he was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, "Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!"
2 "Do you see all these great buildings?" replied Jesus. "Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."
3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately,
4
<b>"Tell us, when will these things happen? </b>
And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?"
5 Jesus said to them: "Watch out that no one deceives you.
6 Many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and will deceive many.
7 When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
8 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.
9 "You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them.
10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations.
11 Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.
12 "Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death.
13 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
14 "When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' [1] standing where it [2] does not belong--let the reader understand--then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
15 Let no one on the roof of his house go down or enter the house to take anything out.
16 Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak.
17 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!
18 Pray that this will not take place in winter,
19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now--and never to be equaled again.
20 If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them.
21 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ [3] !' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it.
22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible.
23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
24 "But in those days, following that distress,
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
25 the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' [4]
26 "At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.
27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.
28" Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near.
29 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door.
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30 I tell you the truth, this generation [5] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
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31Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
<b>The Day and Hour Unknown </b>
<b>32 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. </b>
<b>33 Be on guard! Be alert [6] ! You do not know when that time will come. </b>
34 It's like a man going away: He leaves his house and puts his servants in charge, each with his assigned task, and tells the one at the door to keep watch.
35 "Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back--whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn.
36 If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping.
37 What I say to you, I say to everyone: 'Watch!' "
<b>Foot Notes:</b>
1. 13:14 Daniel 9:27; 11:31; 12:11
2. 13:14 Or he; also in verse 29
3. 13:21 Or Messiah
4. 13:25 Isaiah 13:10; 34:4
5. 13:30 Or race
6. 13:33 Some manuscripts alert and pray
Note on Foot Note #5: The NIV Bible translators had put the word "race" in their foot note, while the original translations don't have that word! They have "generation":
"Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. (From the King James Version Bible, Mark 13:30)"
"Verily I say to you, that this generation may not pass away till all these things may come to pass; (Young's Literal Translation, Mark 13:30)"
None of these older and more original translations have foot notes for this verse. (i can show you the proof if you wish). Only the NIV translation has this foot note. The word "generation" is the original word found in Mark 13:30 in the original "Gospel of Mark" scriptures that were found and were attributed to Mark (even though there is no proof for Mark's ownership of the so-called "Gospel of Mark"). (i can also show you the comments of the <b>Bible's own theologians and historians that confirm this fact</b>).
Jesus not only promised that the hour would come before the generation he was living among would pass in the book of Mark, but he also made the same promise in the book of Luke:
"Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self? If anyone is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.
<b>I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.</b>
" (From the NIV Bible, Luke 9:23-27)"
Similar to Mark 13:1-37 as shown above, Jesus in Luke 9:23-27 yet makes <b>another promise </b>that the hour would come before the generation he was living among would pass. It is now 2,000 years after Jesus and the generation he was living among is all dead, and yet, the Hour have not come yet! <b>Need we say more about this corrupted gospel that no one on this earth know who originally wrote it? </b>
i can still show you more things that Jesus of the Bible have done which any logical mind would not hesitate to accept it as a clear sins and mistakes done by the "LORD".
peace
ammuslim
