Allah's Description Of Those Who Ascribe A Son

[ronniv93]

I feel that I have already done my work. I don't feel that anyone here is TRULY helping. It does NOT help to just throw a bunch of links out at me and expect me to bury myself in pages and pages and pages of text that have maybe 1 paragraph that "sortof, half-way" deals with my issues.


My <b>REAL</b> questions continue to be ignored while minute topics deter the entire conversation.


And I'm sick of people treating me like I am some ignorant child. I don't treat you all like that even though I believe I am walking in the Light of God's truth; I don't look down on you or treat you as ignorant. Yet that is how I am treated here.

[umm Zachariah]

Bismillah,


Ronniv, I am sorry you feel like that. I have truly taken time to try to answer your questions. I have not just rushed through them, I have given my answers some thought before writing, so I feel a bit wrongly 'accused' here. I don't think I have given you that many links, but I must say if you want a broader perspective, these link are great. Yes it takes time to go through them, but it also depends on how serious you are. If you just want to scratch the surface, it may be to 'deep' with the links, but on the other hand - what will you truly learn if you only scratch?


<i>''My REAL questions continue to be ignored while minute topics deter the entire conversation.''</i>


This is like a slap in the face, since I have put effort into my answers, I always try to do that. Answering and questioning is very serious to me, I know I have Someone that is watching what I do. This is not 'gameboy' or 'playstation' for me, this is a religious responsibility. Then one do not play or ignore, as you wrote. It is impossible.


Ronniv, you come with statements that I cannot understand. I don't feel that you are a child, you have told us you are a married woman, and then you have learnt from life much already. There is not such thing as 'looking down' or looking at non-Muslims as knowing less. But I could say that you are ignorant of some of Islam and Islam's teachings, but so am I. I am also learning. None of us has said we know everything, since that would be like arrogance, and that is not withing the Muslims sphere. But if there is a willingness to overcome this ignorance, then it is on a learning basis.


Only you can take the steps from here, like we all have to do. You have to decide what direction your future lies in. And take it from there. And if you are serious in knowing more about Islam, we are here to help you to the best of our ability. You know where to find us. Remember after hard times, there will always come a relief and we have learnt something from what we have went through, inshaAllah.


Regards

[Muslimah]

I feel that I have already done my work. I don't feel that anyone here is TRULY helping. It does NOT help to just throw a bunch of links out at me and expect me to bury myself in pages and pages and pages of text that have maybe 1 paragraph that "sortof, half-way" deals with my issues.
My <b>REAL</b> questions continue to be ignored while minute topics deter the entire conversation.


And I'm sick of people treating me like I am some ignorant child. I don't treat you all like that even though I believe I am walking in the Light of God's truth; I don't look down on you or treat you as ignorant. Yet that is how I am treated here.

Bismillah


Ronniv if u noticed I never come back on u trying to explain what is already explained. Alhamdulelah we do our work. Talking about looking down at u, Alhamdulelah who are we to look down at people. U always tend to take us saying u didnt understand as insult like we are supposed all of us to be the All Knowing. Ronniv only Allah Can Understand everything. All of us can miss a point or so.


Till now all your questions were answered may be u dont want to admit that.


Also remember when we give answers we do so according to our belif which then u start questioning. This is what makes the halt come on.


As for myself and I am not talking on other's behalf we are all different in our approaches. I place the reply. u may take your time, but u prefer to come back quickly bringing more points, which does not make it like u want to know.


so just revise your situation if u want to continue searching

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom Umm


this is a sincere comment for my dear sister


Never feel like slapped on the face since neither u nor any of us is doing this to see the poster's appreciation but rather Allah.


Thus as long as u feel u put the requested info just dont pursue any more.


Really this may have many adverse impact. no need to mention them now.

[umm Zachariah]

Bismillah,


Assalamu aleikum,


"No reason have we why we should not put our trust on Allah. Indeed He Has guided us to the Ways we (follow). We shall certainly bear with patience all the hurt you may cause us. For those who put their trust should put their trust on Allah."
The Qur'an 14:12


Wasalam

[ronniv93]

umm_Zachariah,


I am so sorry for offending you. I feel really bad about that and did not mean to insult you.


I <b>DO</b> know that you have sincerely tried to be responsive and I wasn't necessarily directing all of my comments at you, but others. We may misunderstand each other at times because our backgrounds, thought processes, and even terminology are so different between us.


But I am truly sorry for offending you and I don't think that you ignore my issues.


You have been very kind even when discussions get heated.

[umm Zachariah]

Bismillah,


Ronniv,


Thank you for your words, it is a nice gesture.


You did not offend me, the expression I used was more to try to express the frustration I as a human being sometimes feel. It is like sometimes being happy and sometimes being sad, but always anyway being content with that Allah, SWT let's us experience all of this. It makes us grow in knowledge and as humans beings too, I am sure. So no offence taken.


Regards

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


ronniv


Look at this one again:


""And when there came to them (the Jews), a Book (this Qur'an) from Allah confirming what is with them [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], although aforetime they had invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad ﻢﻠﺳﻭ ﻪﻴﻠﻋ ﻪﻠﻟﺍ ﻰﻠﺻ) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allah be on the disbelievers." (Quran 2:89)


As is clearly stated what is in Quran was already revealed to the people of the book in Injeel and Torah, but when it was revealed in Quran, they rejected it, refused to believe in it and of course refused to accept Mohamed as a Messneger.


ronniv, your only problem with Quran and desire to prove it faulty is that it calls Jesus as just a Prophet and Messenger and admits Mohamed as the final Prophet of the only One True God.

[ronniv93]

ronniv, your only problem with Quran and desire to prove it faulty is that it calls Jesus as just a Prophet and Messenger and admits Mohamed as the final Prophet of the only One True God.

Muslimah, I just wanted to respond to this statement. It's not completely accurate, so I just didn't bother to respond. But as I read over it again, I decided I *would* respond; I don't want my silence on the matter to imply that I agree with this statement.


<b>1) "Desire" to prove Quran faulty.</b>


- Truly, when I first started studying Islam and the Quran, that was my ultimate goal. Figure out what the book said and what was wrong with it, so I could rip it apart.


- But you know what happened? I started meeting Muslims and a number of them were so nice and sweet and truly sincere in their beliefs that I began to feel bad. I mean, how could I be so rough in my dealings with people I had come to be friends with.


- Then, I started reading the Quran JUST for what it said, not looking for points to tear it down.


- To sum up the next several months to 1 year of that study, I've come to certain conclusions about the Quran. It is not up to me to "prove the Quran faulty." You have to feel and be sure of what you believe, as do I. Very likely, nothing I say could EVER sway you or any other Muslim here. Thus, that is a fruitless goal for me to try to reach.


- Mainly, there are things that aren't clear, don't make sense, seem conflictory or contradictory, etc., etc., so I seek to understand how MUSLIMS reconcile all these things together.


<b>2) Problem with Quran calling Jesus just a prophet</b>


- That's the least of my concerns, at this point. Of course I don't agree that that's all He is, but that is not the ONLY thing I take issue with. In fact, if one was to look through all my posts, it's doubtful that you'll find me arguing about this point too often, if at all.


<b>3) Problem with Quran admitting Muhammad as the final prophet.</b>


- I have serious doubts about the authenticy of his prophethood claim, true. But I don't even spend much time on this topic.


- I've seen people all over the place argue about why they don't believe Muhammad to be a prophet including, even, very ugly things said about him. So, I've been through all the arguments for and against him being a prophet.


- Again, though, I've spent little time at all, thus far, challenging that. Not that it's not an issue, but there's all kinds of information out there on this topic - both for and against.


- My interest is in asking questions that I've not found answers to anywhere else.

[lifutushi]

Mainly, there are things that aren't clear, don't make sense, seem conflictory or contradictory, etc., etc., so I seek to understand how MUSLIMS reconcile all these things together.

such as? put it here, so we can prove how the Qur'an never contradicted to each other.