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Proving The Existence Of Allah (swt)to An Atheist
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CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST


Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you", because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief - he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.


My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed, ‘La ilaaha’ - meaning ‘there is no God’. So half my job is already done; now the only part left is ‘il lallah’ i.e. ‘BUT ALLAH’ which I shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have and then put the correct concept of one true God.


LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD


My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God. If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.


If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.


Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha Allah not refuse.


(You may refer to my article, ‘Concept of God in Islam’, for more details)


QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE


The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material provided in the ‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist may satisfy some but not all.


Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a revelation of God.


If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.


SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QUR’AN: for details on this subject please refer to my book, ‘THE QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE – COMPATIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE?


this book can be seen from the link below:


http://www.irf.net/irf/drzakirnaik/dznindex.htm


THEORY OF PROBABILITY


In mathematics there is a theory known as ‘Theory of Probability’. If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half. But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%.


A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.


Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.


At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.


The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.


Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.


The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine.


CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR’AN


The only logical answer to the question as to who could have mentioned all these scientific facts 1400 years ago before they were discovered, is exactly the same answer initially given by the atheist or any person, to the question who will be the first person who will be able to tell the mechanism of the unknown object. It is the ‘CREATOR’, the producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe and its contents. In the English language He is ‘God’, or more appropriate in the Arabic language, ‘ALLAH’.


QUR’AN IS A BOOK OF SIGNS AND NOT SCIENCE


Let me remind you that the Qur’an is not a book of Science, ‘S-C-I-E-N-C-E’ but a book of Signs ‘S-I-G-N-S’ i.e. a book of ayaats. The Qur’an contains more than 6,000 ayaats, i.e. ‘signs’, out of which more than a thousand speak about Science. I am not trying to prove that the Qur’an is the word of God using scientific knowledge as a yard stick because any yardstick is supposed to be more superior than what is being checked or verified. For us Muslims the Qur’an is the Furqan i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick which is more superior to scientific knowledge.


But for an educated man who is an atheist, scientific knowledge is the ultimate test which he believes in. We do know that science many a times takes ‘U’ turns, therefore I have restricted the examples only to scientific facts which have sufficient proof and evidence and not scientific theories based on assumptions. Using the ultimate yardstick of the atheist, I am trying to prove to him that the Qur’an is the word of God and it contains the scientific knowledge which is his yardstick which was discovered recently, while the Qur’an was revealed 1400 year ago. At the end of the discussion, we both come to the same conclusion that God though superior to science, is not incompatible with it.


SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD


Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god with a small ‘g’ that is fake god) but God (with a capital ‘G’).


Surah Fussilat:


"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?"


[Al-Quran 41:53]


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Quote: Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. ANohter excellent article AbuMubarak

Woah! This article is exactly how i came to Islam. Allah showed me the signs, directed me where to look and from there on i felt his pull. The above quote is soo true, in fact it reflects one of my quotes already in my sig. An athiest or agnostic who refuses to read the Quran, will have to look deep into sceince, then...they will find Allah. It's nature for all of humankind to find Allah. Just in different ways.

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http://www.islamqa.com


Ruling on a Muslim man marrying a non-Muslim woman and vice versa


http://63.175.194.25/index.php?cs=prn&ln=e...380&dgn=4&dgn=2


Who are the women of the People of the Book whom Muslims are permitted to marry?


http://63.175.194.25/index.php?cs=prn&ln=e...527&dgn=4&dgn=2


Ruling on marrying an atheist


http://63.175.194.25/index.php?cs=prn&ln=e...468&dgn=4&dgn=2


A Sikh girl wants to marry a Muslim man


http://63.175.194.25/index.php?cs=prn&ln=e...885&dgn=4&dgn=2


A Muslim is in love with a Hindu girl and wants to marry her


http://63.175.194.25/index.php?cs=prn&ln=e...015&dgn=4&dgn=2


Ban on muslim women marrying kafir (unbeliever)


http://63.175.194.25/index.php?cs=prn&ln=e...115&dgn=4&dgn=2


A Muslim woman wants to marry a kaafir


http://63.175.194.25/index.php?cs=prn&ln=e...914&dgn=4&dgn=2


What is the punishment for a Muslim woman who marries a Christian man?


http://63.175.194.25/index.php?cs=prn&ln=e...396&dgn=4&dgn=2


Muslim women marrying non-Muslim men in the hope that they may become Muslim


http://63.175.194.25/index.php?cs=prn&ln=e...825&dgn=4&dgn=2


Muslim man marrying a non-Muslim woman


http://63.175.194.25/index.php?cs=prn&ln=e...884&dgn=4&dgn=2


Wants to marry Christian woman


http://63.175.194.25/index.php?cs=prn&ln=e...227&dgn=4&dgn=2


Is it permissible to allow a Christian wife to practise her religion in the home?


http://63.175.194.25/index.php?cs=prn&ln=e...320&dgn=4&dgn=2

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#4

Bismillah


as salam alykom


I also so the multiple links Abu put here as very useful may be people would like to read thru

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#5

Some quotes from the Islam-QA site:




Quote:It is not permissible for a Muslim to allow his wife from among the People of the Book to celebrate her festivals in his home, for the man is in charge of that woman and she does not have the right to openly celebrate her festivals in his home, because of the resulting effects of corruption, forbidden things and display of the symbols of kufr in his home.

Thus, it is never in the best interests of any Christian woman to marry a Muslim man. Her life will never be the same again and, in fact, she will be robbed of the right to even be who she is - a Believer in Jesus Christ - the Christ of the Bible.




Quote:He should keep his children from taking part in those innovated festivals, because the children belong to the father and he should keep them away from these forbidden celebrations.

Since when do the children BELONG to the father and not the mother also? Is it not the woman who has to bear the child for 9 months and goes through the labor pains of bringing them into the world??? But all of that means nothing, apparently, in Islam. Children are the property of the father regardless.




Quote:At the same time he should direct them towards what will benefit them, even if that affects his relationship with his wife.

Do these people not realize that having a safe, loving, TOGETHERNESS-type of environment in the home IS OF VITAL IMPORT in terms of "benefiting" the children? If the Muslim man was that concerned about his children being "corrupted" by the "bad ol' Christians", he shouldn't have married her in the first place.


Unless the plan all along was to try to vanquish Christianity and establish Islam as the superior religion by marrying a non-Muslim woman.




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<b>WOW</b>!!!! So she's not even allowed to practice her faith OUTSIDE of the home? This sounds like slavery..... total control! She no longer can even practice what she believes in!!!


And we are to believe that Islam is "tolerant" and "respectful" of other religions!


I know that I am emotional about this, but this has truly caught me off guard. This is HORRIBLE!!! How is any of this fair to the woman and her rights just as a HUMAN BEING, let alone his WIFE?!?!


This is the kind of thing that scares people about Islam.


On the one hand, you're told one thing. But when you dig deeper, you find out things like this.
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One more thing I just thought of:


It must be wrong for Muslim men of today to marry any Jewish or Christian woman.


According to Muslims today, this verse in the Quran:




Quote:Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.

applies only to Jews and Christians up to Muhammad's time. Most Muslims today say that there is no true Torah or Gospel, etc. Therefore, it is impossible for a woman to truly be part of the "People of the Book" since the "Book" <i>according to Muslims</i> no longer exists.


So, then, Muslim men should only be able to marry Muslim women, right? Since, technically, there is no such thing as a "true" Jew or Christian today.


Why, then, are Muslim men still permitted to do this?


On the one hand, our religion and faith are totally invalidated and we are told we are following corrupt teachings.


On the other hand, we still fit into the Quran's description of "The People of the Book", allowing Muslim men a larger "pool" of women to choose from with respect to marriage.


What's the deal, here?

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#7

Bismillah


Hi Ronniv,


Yes that is a very difficult question for us to answer, WHO is a true believer? Isn't it? It is only Allah, SWT that knows who is and who isn't.


A Christan today can mean at least two ways, to us that do not the hearts of people. It can be a believer from ancient times that believed and followed the first commandment. And it can be a believer of today that believs in trinity. So to be on the safe side...


To my knowledge Christian women are not allowed to marry other than Christian men, so what is the problem? Can't the Christian woman say 'no thank you' to the proposal made by a Muslim man?


<i>''On the one hand, our religion and faith are totally invalidated and we are told we are following corrupt teachings.''</i>


Yes that could be true, but then you forget that Islam gives everyone the freedom to practise that belief, even if it is wrong according to Islam. So you still have your freedom of choice to follow it.

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Quote: To my knowledge Christian women are not allowed to marry other than Christian men, so what is the problem? Can't the Christian woman say 'no thank you' to the proposal made by a Muslim man?

I have to agree with you on this one. Christians (men and women) are supposed to only marry other Christians.


Sadly, people either do not study their faith or are not taught their faith properly and thus either ignore this verse OR, as I've found to be more common, they simply re-interpret that passage in their own way so as to excuse their behavior.


I try to tell these ladies who claim to be "in love" with their Muslim boyfriends that:


1) They're violating their own faith if they marry him and


2) This "wonderfully, religious" man is not following his own faith properly if he's involved in dating of any kind.


So, in essence, you've got 2 people who are violating their respective faiths talking about how in love they are and commending their intended spouse for their religious ways.


LOOL!


This is very foolish on both their parts and thye are setting themselves up for a lifetime of heartache, because I have yet to see any reconcilation whatsoever in terms of a Christian, Jew or Muslim marrying someone not of their own faith.




Quote: Yes that could be true, but then you forget that Islam gives everyone the freedom to practise that belief,

Except in the case of marriage. In that case, a woman will NOT have the right to practice what she believes, right?

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#9

Bismillah,


Ronniv,


Islam teaches that the husband has the economical responsibility of the family, so he has the responsibility for the family as a whole and if the wife insists on teaching their children that God is a trinity (astaghfirullah), well it wont do will it.


So it is better to think at least twice before chosing one's future spouse. It is a responsibility, as well as chosing one's faith is.

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Economic responsibility does not carry with it religious, emotional and physical authority, though.
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