Adultery – In Biblical And Islamic Terms

[Anyabwile]

In fact the more i reflect on this, the more suprised i am you actually said it. So what i said in the above post to JohnDoe is more offensive than <b>ANYTHING</b> he could say to me? Let me repeat this....what i said to him, the worst being was that he drinks beer (and wine which he proudly admits to) and belches, was worse than what he said about your Prophet (peace be upon him) and what he says about the religion you follow with all your heart? Goodness me. Re read what you just said.

[laian]

Now I am personally offended that you think I made an attack on you just because I'm "not happy" with what you said about u.s. soldiers. I am not upset with you about that. We disagree, sure, but to each his own.


The reason I found your post to johndoe more offensive than his posts is because you are displaying blatant hatred and arrogance. This is such a bad example of Islam. You have every right to defend your faith, but arrogance and hatred are not the ways to do it.


You have taken some of his quotes out of context, and you have misinterpreted others. Your tone is offensive because coming from a muslim, I do not want to hear a tone of hatred and contempt. Further, we should not continue to bring up the past to put someone down. The best thing for a muslim is to endure with patience. This is an Islamic board and you are acting worse than johndoe in your attack on him.


And by the way, I am not even upset with you about this post, nor do I think anything bad of you. I am simply expressing my dislike of content of your post, and requesting that you refrain from using such an attitude in the future.


In Islam, it is our duty to oppose that which is wrong, changing it with our actions, or with our words, or with our thoughts... and that is the least of religion. I did the most I could, I expressed my disapproval. Now it is up to you to make your choice.


Anyabwile, you contribute a lot to this forum, and your viewpoint is valuable, especially to me because I know many christians who have converted, but I have never met or heard from an agnostic who converted. So I enjoy hearing about the conviction you have for Islam, mashaAllah, it is so beautiful.


I can tolerate offensive words from johndoe, because he is not a muslim and he is not the only person in the world who dislikes islam. I hear and read a lot of negative views about islam, and although I don't like to hear it, I bear it with patience, because Allah guides who he will, and in what way he will. We don't know if johndoe is guided or not. Allaho alim.


However, I find it much harder to tolerate this type of hatred and aggressive attitude from a fellow muslim. Your post only added to the negative atmosphere that exists in areas of this board. As muslims we should strive to promote a peaceful atmosphere. And I hope I can expect this from my dear brothers and sisters on this board.


I do hope you understand my viewpoint on this. If you wish to avoid my posts that is up to you, if that will be easier for you. For me, as I said, you are my dear brother in Islam and I value your strong faith. I hope to hear more beautiful words from you in the future inshaAllah.

[Anyabwile]

Well i'm still trying to take in what you said....which was that what i said, was more offensive than ANYTHING JohnDoe could ever say. So what you are saying is, even if JohnDoe was to say the worst thing he could about Allah (Subhanahu wa ta'ala) then i've topped it in terms of how offensive a post can be. Persoanlly i see your defending of his words, and accusing me of taking them out of context as highly offensive myself and not very Islamic, as a Muslim even one so new to the faith i am there for my brother first and foremost in ANY situation, then outside of this others. Ok it's possible to take words out of context but how can i take out of context <b>full actual quotes from the man himself</b>. I am deeply insulted you suggest such a thing as a "sister in faith" He was not in any of these posts saying..."this is what people say about muslims, they are ingorant stone throwing savages" and then i picked the last part of the scentence to trick people, no, these were things he was actually saying. I'm never going to accept any such words being said about my Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) or The Almighty. And neither should you, if this means ignoring his posts then good, but coming here and defending the digusting rubbish he comes out with, unbelivable. Subhan-Allah


As for you judging me as to what i should and should not say as a muslim. I rose above this in my response to you because i don't feel we as humans can judge anyone. But you went ahead and judged me anyway so...just as you think i should not display anger or be offensive to people making jokes about our faith therefore i am not a good example of being Muslim. Or not displaying best how a Muslim should be. I think you are as bad as me in this context, saying what i said is worse than Anything this ignorant Kafir could say and yet i'm supposed to be your Brother in faith. If you really wasn't effected by our previous discussion then you would have PM'd me or something not a blatant rude post to you brother in faith for all to see. Defending Kafir, saying what i said is worse than anything he could ever say. Disgusting. If i got to you with the army stuff just admit it, but it's unfair to bring that over into this discussion. Once i am out of a topic that's it i move on, you didn't.


So just as you think this about me, i think in my eyes you do not set a good example for the many muslims reading by not defending your faith, by saying i am worse than someone who makes jokes about the Prophet. Jokes about Prisoners in Abu Graib having panties on their head, and other such stuff. If you think i am taking his words out of Context go back and check the search engine for his posts, just to make sure i am.


Regardless i am extremely God fearing and if i didn't think Allah (Subhanahu wa ta'ala) would be pleased with my actions i wouldn't do it. So in all fairness i coulnd't care less what a human in this day and age thinks about me when it comes to me and my Islam. When all this is over, it's just me and Allah. People forget this. Johndoe won't be there with you when you're being questioned on the day. Defending him by claiming i have taken his words out of contect (also highly insulting) won't be of no use to you after this world. Whereas I'm hoping INSHA ALLAH defending Islam <b>will</b> be of use to me, even if i did get a little hot headed about it i admit. Although i did a little angry reading his latest insults. I defended my Islam..as i will continue to do on this board, until i am banned or in real life until i am dead.


Al-hamdu lillahi rabbil 'alamin

[NewBeginning]

I see posts like John Doe's daily. I don't know if this would mean anything to you Any, but there are sooo sooo much more worse than his posts out there. I think I told you about some of them.


I think his comments come from real concern for people getting beat to death by rocks. I mean, I don't understand it myself. I have a different approach to the subject than he does, but that's not to say that I don't understand his confusion. He's just taking the wrong approach to the subject, being inconsiderate to the people who he's talking to.


Perhaps John Doe should be more sensitive to the fact that he is NOT on a Christian site, but he is on an Islamic site, and should respect the members of the forum. If he is unable to respect the members and their religion, then this may not be the place for him.


Believe me, there are PLENTY of sites that would agree with John whole-heartedly, maybe he should visit those sites instead. I'm sure he would have a much more pleasant time.

[Anyabwile]

Assalamu Alalikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh


Yeh, sister i have seen worse posts then Johns of course i have, which is fine. He obviously knows he can only say so much as he was banned once. I've seen all the sites, especially the big ones, i've read enough stuff to totally make me throw away my Islam but it hasn't worked. I've been offended and upset by it in the past, ask Umm. As i said in my early days i was given links in my emails to all sorts of sites by ex-muslims and Christians, and i've read heaps of bad stuff, this is why i avoid those places and i don't bother arguing with those kind of people there. No getting through to them, but that's there, i can't be everywhere so if the people allow that to go on then good for them, this is why i <b>don't post anywhere else on the net</b>.


I originally posted / looked around at at three of four Islamic sites but the nutters ran loose too much and it stopped my enjoyment of the forums, if JohnDoe posted like once every so often fine but everyday, another sacy comment, just makes me sick to my stomach. But i like to think of these boards as my little home, and in almost every post to have to read sarcy comments or pokes at my religion i'm just getting a little tired of it. It's not even about draggin up his past stuff, he's still on it to this day.


I'm not saying everyone here has to agree with me, doesn't bother me, in fact it merely makes me more passionate. I know i will get a telling off, so what been told off all my life but as long as i can everytime he slips, while i'm posting here at least, i'm gonna correct it. Everyone else can yap at me all they like. If his comments come from concern about people getting hit with rocks, why the jokes about Abu Graib, Why say being a prophet is so easy he can do it etc etc. These things to Muslims are really offensive, or the Muslims i speak with anyway. If he carrys on being offensive to my religion and my Prophet = Me. Then i will continue being offensive to him, why? because i'm a big baby. Happy everyone! Good now let me continue then...

[NaSra]

This information is For Johndoe, <i>as he requested</i>


The woman and the man guilty of zinaa, flog each of them with a hundred stripes: let no compassion move you in their case in a matter prescribed by Allah if you believe in Allah and the Last Day; and let a party of the believers witness their punishment. <b>[An-Nur 24:2]</b>


When this verse was revealed, it was understood that those guilty of adultery should be given a hundred lashes as a punishment.


<b>The Prophet (sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) clarified the injunctions:</b>Take from me, accept from me. Undoubtedly, Allah has now show the path for them. For unmarried persons, the punishment is one <b>hundred lashes </b>
and exile for one year. For married adulterers it is one hundred lashes and <b>stoning to death</b>
. '


[Al-Bukhaari, Kitabul Hudood]

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom brothers and sisters


I am here just to try and ease the tension between my dear brothers and sisters.


Laian what Anya did was just highlight John's attitude towards Sharia in general which didnt change much. Now as I stated many times before, we never expect a person to change his/her attitude just by joining the site. Nor do we post replies regardless of the real intention of the poster whether to mock, offend, or act clever.


Anya trying to underline this fact was in response to members trying not to bring John's past. Besides I am here long enough to tell u Anya didnt change any context of what John has been saying.


U know what brothers and sisters, the board is not here to serve John, that is why we did suspend his account, then banned him and then rejected him on another nick.


He and other non Muslims can be here, for whatever reason they are here for. We are here to learn and help others learn.


As I told a member on a pm who brought this issue to me, sometimes while we are making dawa I fear that we seem begging the other party to embrace Islam. While Islam is a gift, yes we reply to questions, yes we understand their vulnerble situation, yes we understand their insecurity, but to a limit without being in the Please please please embrace Islam.


Why would we do that? because we know how rewarding it is to Allah for one who is a reason to guide others? it all depends on the intention. Our intention is considered by Allah any way.


So a sincere advice to my brothers and sisters, be aware of this thin line that we might fell over.


Whether or not John is here to learn is only Known to Allah, why he is really here, specially after trying to register on another nick should not be an issue. But rather let us all move and not let him draw us back.


Just look how busy we all became with him, discussing him and more. Why? just move on. Dont let him or others draw us back...


Let us learn


Zina is forbidden in Islam. Zina is different from adultry. Zina is having sex outside of the wedlock.


Punishment differs from married person to unmarried. It is harsher to the married who supposedly have no execuse unlike the unmarried.


zina as a crime to be proven is very hard almost impossible and that is because of Allah's Mercy.


As for someone mocking Islam. let him do that. Why do I expect him to respect Islam. On the Day After he will see the truth.

[Muslimah]

One more point and this is specially to Anya


Why would u want to leave? because John is mocking Islam. Actually he is testifying that Islam is the truth without him knowing.


Did u notice that Islam is the only religion under massive attacks to the extend that people who seek to attack study sharia and Quran to find counter arguments.


Sobhan Allah they are actually articulating their own charges before Allah. They study, learn and search still dont believe.


Did u see someone studying hindusim or Buddism to attach it, never, did u see sites dedicated to attach Judiasm no.


But only Islam. Anya this even makes us more proud brother really it makes us feel more comfortable.


Allah Say:


"Many of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) wish that if they could turn you away as disbelievers after you have believed, out of envy from their ownselves, even, after the truth (that Muhammad ﻢﻠﺳﻭ ﻪﻴﻠﻋ ﻪﻠﻟﺍ ﻰﻠﺻ is Allah's Messenger) has become manifest unto them. But forgive and overlook, till Allah brings His Command. Verily, Allah is Able to do all things." (Quran 2:109)


"And they belied them (those Ayat) wrongfully and arrogantly, though their ownselves were convinced thereof [i.e. those (Ayat) are from Allah, and Musa (Moses) is the Messenger of Allah in truth, but they disliked to obey Musa (Moses), and hated to believe in his Message of Monotheism]. So see what was the end of the Mufsidun (disbelievers, disobedient to Allah, evil-doers, liars.)" (Quran 27:14)


Personally it makes me more grateful to Allah when I see these lost souls


Anya u get upset by John, here in Egypt, in some of the cable channels, Muslims (by name) come and sit and proudly say things that I dont prefer to quote it here.


Alhamdulelah we are Muslims Alhamdulelah we follow what Allah Ordained for us or we are trying to.


Just move on, and dont let John come between us as unity Laian, shaunee Anya, Umm and Intuiton we are all Muslims Alhamdulelah


Ididnt mean to leave out Dan and Radiyah but I mean the ones in this debate


Remember we are all Alhamdulelah a small cyber family

[NewBeginning]

For married people it's 100 lashings AND stoning to death.........


Well if they are going to be stoned to death what is the point in the first 100 lasings? What made Mohammed ADD this on to the Quran, and where is the explanation for this addition to the Quran? The Quran says nothing about different penalties for married or unmarried at all.


You know, another reason why I am so bothered by this.... is that I recently had a hadith sent to me through email about how Allah had mercy on a prostitute because she gave water to a panting dog passing by. Well now isn't that just wonderful? A prostitute is saved because she gave a dog a sip water....... but a woman who makes one mistake is buried up to her neck and stoned to death.


Something is wrong with this....... there has got to be more to this then what I'm seeing so far.......

[Rehmat]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="2312" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well if they are going to be stoned to death what is the point in the first 100 lasings?  What made Mohammed ADD this on to the Quran, and where is the explanation for this addition to the Quran?  The Quran says nothing about different penalties for married or unmarried at all.

As you know, I never claimed to be “rocket scientist” when it to Islamic Theology – so let me put my two cents to respond to your query (not confusion).


God’s Final Testament (Holy Qur’an) demands punishment for only six offences, although it comdemn many other types of mis behaviour, from gambling to the consumption of pork, behaviour which is threatened with consequences in the Afterlife. These six offences punishable in an Islamic State are:


1. Murder (Qatl)


2. Street robbery (Qat al-Tariq)


3. High treason (al-Hirabah)


4. 4. False accusation of adultery (Qadhf)


5. Adultery between people of good reputation (Zina)


6. Theft of a guarded object of value (Sariqah)


The first three crimes are punishable by death. Traditional legal theory regarding the fifth crime (adultery) as justification for death by stoning under ‘certain circumstances’. Theft may be punishable by amputation, in the first instance, of the right hand.


So, in fact Holy Qur’an contain very little material concerning penal law; regulations relating to criminal procedure are seen more rare. This allows Islamic jurisprudence, which, in a humanitarian spirit, accepts certain dire realities of human life, the necessary freedom to soten the potential impact of Holy Qur’anic criminal law through delivering a very strict and highly demanding criminal procedure with very short period of statuory limitation and narrow rules of evidence.

You know, another reason why I am so bothered by this.... is that I recently had a hadith sent to me through email about how Allah had mercy on a prostitute because she gave water to a panting dog passing by.  Well now isn't that just wonderful?  A prostitute is saved because she gave a dog a sip water....... but a woman who makes one mistake is buried up to her neck and stoned to death.

Yes I have read that Hadith as a teenager. However, its implications are not what one ‘think’ at its face value. The true lesson from this story is – No matter how much or how long a Believer try to practice ‘Islamic rituals’ and Jihad against his or her ‘self’ – there is no ‘surety’ that he or she would be saved from the Hellfire. The Final Judgment will only depend on ‘one’s Niah’. Allah (swt) is THE CREATOR of all the creations – He may FORGIVE whom He chose.


Allah knows the best.


Wa Salaam.




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