Adultery – In Biblical And Islamic Terms

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And yes Shaunee, The Quran does not contradict The Sunnah, U have a long way in order to learn about Sharia' and Fiqh in Islam, even though some say that they read enough, and they had enough, beleive me, u will never learn enough and read enough about Shariea in Islam unless u study it with an open heart and eyes and mind. But with blind eyes, and sealed hearts how are they to c the truth and learn what is right from wrong.( and I am not saying this about u shaunee dear, but other members)

Ok, I agree, but I was asking that question so that I can learn, not trying to sound like I knew what I was talking about or anything. This is just something that I've heard in passing, not that the hadith would contradict the quran, maybe I used the wrong words on that one....... could have been I should have asked if the hadith is not specific enough or something?


Well, this whole subject is a very sad one, because I cringe at the thought of stoning. I could never imagine witnessing such a thing, let alone being the one who actually throws the stone.


Please please please please forgive me for saying this next statement, but I have to bring it up for the sake of honesty, because I would hate to sit here and say one thing and think another, so I have to tell you what is on my mind now........


I keep hearing in my mind..... "He who is without sin, cast the first stone". Jesus says this in the Bible, yes I know, we follow Quran, but we respect Jesus as a prophet as well. I just keep hearing that in the back of my head when I think of stoning.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


Shaunee Allah Sobhanhu wa Ta`ala is the Merciful then if Allah Sets a rule it must be adquate. We do respect Prophet Eassa of course, but we dont apply his teachings for Quran surpassed all. Then we can not drop part of Sharia based on teachings of Eassa or else we will be breaching Allah's convenant which is of course grave.

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Any,


Let me tell you..... I can probably understand how you feel. I have been to message boards lately that made me cry, and these were Islamic forums, where people were cursing Muslims, the prophet(pbuh) and filth like you wouldn't believe spewing from these people. The prophanity was just unbelievable. I tried yelling at these people, argued with them and even insulted them back (without the cursing of course). I have seen evil people post things in Islamic forums that just made my stomache turn. It's so horrible what people think of us. After going through all of that in the past few weeks, I have to ignore them. I am so easily angered these days.


If you don't mind, I'd like to suggest something to help you........ that when you see a post from someone that you know is a nasty person, and you just know ahead of time that they have nothing nice to say about Islam and the Muslims..... just scroll right past the poster, and go to the next message from one of your brothers or sisters.


I am personally sick and tired of people who have no interest what so ever in Islam, flooding Islamic forums just to cause trouble. One person said that they have been visiting Islamic websites for five years. Five years this person has dedicated to causing trouble and bothering people. It's just unbelievable.


I only want to give you some encouragement, not really tell you what to do. I'm sure you can handle yourself as an adult, but just know I believe I can understand how you feel, to a point anyway.


Salaam.

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Muslimah, I know what you mean. I just felt I had to post what I was thinking..... I suppose it can only help me to learn more when I'm honest and clear things up.

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Any, 
Let me tell you..... I can probably understand how you feel.  I have been to message boards lately that made me cry, and these were Islamic forums, where people were cursing Muslims, the prophet(pbuh) and filth like you wouldn't believe spewing from these people.  The prophanity was just unbelievable.  I tried yelling at these people, argued with them and even insulted them back (without the cursing of course).  I have seen evil people post things in Islamic forums that just made my stomache turn.  It's so horrible what people think of us.  After going through all of that in the past few weeks, I have to ignore them.  I am so easily angered these days. 


If you don't mind, I'd like to suggest something to help you........  that when you see a post from someone that you know is a nasty person, and you just know ahead of time that they have nothing nice to say about Islam and the Muslims..... just scroll right past the poster, and go to the next message from one of your brothers or sisters. 


I am personally sick and tired of people who have no interest what so ever in Islam, flooding Islamic forums just to cause trouble.  One person said that they have been visiting Islamic websites for five years.  Five years this person has dedicated to causing trouble and bothering people.  It's just unbelievable. 


I only want to give you some encouragement, not really tell you what to do.  I'm sure you can handle yourself as an adult, but just know I believe I can understand how you feel, to a point anyway. 


Salaam.

Thank you Shaunee i will take your advice on board. See when i first became Muslim or rather when i announced it, as i have said on here, i got a flood of email links by ex Christians telling me allsorts. Yes, some of the worst stuff i've ever heard, not the usual accusations on the Prophet (Peace be upon him) that stuff is so tiring now, like they are the first people to come with this stuff. But other stuff, and it did weaken me, the members here helped me and always said go to Qur'an, see if it's true, all the time when people say stuff, <b>just look for yourself</b> (most important).


And slowly as i looked into it, took facts from one site, and compared them with facts from another site, i see the holes appear and it all became a big sham. Everyone of these anti Islam sites is completely empty of any content, it's because they know how weak as a source of Divine guidance the bible is and that anyone can pick a scentence from a book, highlight it, and say how evil it is, without revealing the rest of them. This is why i don't really do this with the Bible, even though personally i have views on it. I can't just pcik out one bit and then highlight it on a forum like two words, you need the rest of it to have it make sense. This is what these sites did.


And once i sat downa nd truly read up for myself, looked at what they were saying Allhumdullilah i got back on the path, now i just get angry with em, as opposed to beliving what is said, because once you actually look, there's nothing there it's amazing!! their words are emtpy sometimes clever attempts to somehow put some twist on something, and put Islam in a bad light. I've had it all, i won't say it but yes i went through all these sites, all the big ones probably too early on as being a revert. Anyway i see what you are saying and i really do need to take your advice on board. Jazakallahu khayran. I have actually asked Allah for help, and patience with posters like John so let's see how i do. Erm...not to good so far

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I keep hearing in my mind..... "He who is without sin, cast the first stone".  Jesus says this in the Bible, yes I know, we follow Quran, but we respect Jesus as a prophet as well.

Hi Shaunee, i like you have concerns, it's good to be honest about them. As for what Jesus said, of course we don't really know for sure Jesus said this anyway do we. This is the thing with using the bible as divine guidance, or even using it. I mean of course some of what Jesus said must be in there, the stuff that would fit with the Qur'an which we use as the final kind of benchmark, or guidance when looking at the Bible. But we don't actually know what he said, unless it is in the Qur'an. If Allah (Subhanahu wa ta'ala) or the Final Meesanger of Allah (Peace be upon him) says stone someone, it's something Prophet Isa (Peace and blessing be upon him) would have agreed with i would have imagined. Even though Isa's (Peace and Blessings be upon him) teachings were for a different people, and not for mankind anyway. I can't imagine they would have been so different from the Prophet Muhammeds (Peace be ipon him) message as for him to not accept stoning. I mean i'm recently looking through the Bible the past few months, i mean properly to see the madness in there, and i may be wrong with things here regarding stoning and Jesus (Isa) but, this is how i see it.


As for the stoning, of course no one would want to do it, if people get enjoyment from it, and i imagine some would, then their Affair is with Allah (Subhanahu wa ta'ala) These are not people i would feel comfortable around. Killing criminals for Allah (Subhanahu wa ta'ala) and enjoying justice is one thing but actial enjoyment as each stone hits. Hmmmm


As for the people getting their skulls popped, well one way to avoid it would to be faithful to their partners and have some control over their lower urges in the first place. Not too hard. I also heard it's only happened to one person in modern times anyway. Or if i'm wrong no more than two or three. Because of the need for four witnesses all who's stories must match, or they get a whipping themselves! Who's going to bother with that. If you're going to do something you know is going to get you killed, and what's worse do it in public then...well...you must be pretty dumb, or, in the state of an Animal when you can't control your organs. To the point where <b>you can't control yourself to fornicate so much you don't even fear death! </b>I wouldn't want someone like this around members of my family. Someone who can't control their own Urges enough to not even fear death? They don't sound right to me, like i said, not around my wife or daughter or mother thank you very much. And the fact is they would be.


Also the penalty for rape is death as well unless i am mistaken, someone clear this up for me. So it's generally for nutcases who cannot control themselves. To the point where they fear not fulfilling a desire, more than they fear death! In my painfully infinitely limited insect like knowledge compared to God's i would just give em some beats and be done with it, but i'm not God if he says stone em, then stone em. there's something wrong with them in the first place.


I look at it like this, it's not nice of course it isn't but if the Messanger (Peace be upon him) himself told me to lob a stone at someones head for them commiting adutery, i would do it no even a question asked. All Muslims should. Imagine thinking we have superior wisdom to Allah (Subhanahu wa ta'ala) and not agreeing with it, then when the day comes and Insha Allah we may understand more things, looking back and thinking...now i see. We are not meant to understand everything, it's just a testing ground, a stop a trial for good or bad deeds, this isn't the final step. What happends in this life isn't even a speck on an Atom compared to the afterlife and when we TRULY wake up. I do personally think Shaunee had a good question though which i would like to see answered in depth if possible, however i don't fuss to much with it. Don't cheat on your wife, rise above acting like an Animal and you don't get stoned like one.

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And of course obviously only Allah (Subhanahu wa ta'ala) knows best.

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Assalamu aleikum,


I think sister Shaunee, if one does not THINK about what Islams says, one cannot comprehend it. So I think you are doing just fine. As a new revert one goes through different stages, in the islamic maturation, one has to, just as brother Anya says, LOOK for oneself. People can advise you what to do and where to look for it or what to read, but you got to with your own mind and heart, to SEE its meaning. Otherwise you cannot understand it. And when understanding then you see the wisdom in it. It is a process and it takes time. So there will arise questions from ones past, that has to be clarified and understood by looking into what Islam says about the matter. Then it will make sense.


For people taking badly of Islam, if you are visiting a web-site, don't bother with trying to teach these kind of people what Islam is, it is a waste of time, and makes you feel insufficient. There shall be a hadith that says that if you are in the company with people that drink for example you shall leave them, sorry don't remember exactly now, otherwise you will be like them. I think maybe visiting such websites that only throw dirt and so forth onto Islam and Muslims can be interpreted the same. Just leave them, and let them wonder round by themselves. The only one that can guide them will anyway be Allah, SWT and no one else.


May Allah, SWT continue to always lead us to His Path. The only Path that makes sense in this world.


Wasalam

[Muslimah]

Mash a Allah Anya and Umm


Shaunee go for it

[radiyah]

Assalamu aleikum,
Sister Radiyah, thanks for the threads, I have totally missed your 'conversation' with John here - might be as well rolleyes.gif You done a good job here sister.Sometimes it is difficult to know, since we cannot, only Allah, SWT knows, IF or WHEN the little coin is going to fall down, or when the missing piece of puzzle is going to be found, for the sincere searcher. On the other hand true searchers usually are a bit more restrictive in their language... So hopefully it is a learning process. Like growing up.


Wasalam

Thanks for Allah, and I do not wish to give credit to myself, astaghfer Allah, sister Muslimah and brother Dan tried also with him before me, and all the brothers and sisters on this board, where at the end the repeated sentence is said "Islam is barbaric and savage", Well if he is that much convinced it is like what he thinks, I just keep wondering why does he always keeps popping up asking the same questions? Maybe he thinks that Islam will be reformed to what he likes? No it will not change, never, The Sharia' is Sharia' and it will not change.

Ok, I agree, but I was asking that question so that I can learn, not trying to sound like I knew what I was talking about or anything. This is just something that I've heard in passing, not that the hadith would contradict the quran, maybe I used the wrong words on that one....... could have been I should have asked if the hadith is not specific enough or something?

Oh yes I know Shaunee that u were trying to learn, sorry if I sounded offending, my apologies dear . In sha'Allah u will learn everything about Fiqh Sharia'a Ahadeeth and so many Quran sciences in the near future, just don't be hasty, and learn bit by bit, just like brother Anya is doing, and then everything will be very clear and obvious to u. My love to u dearest


Oh yes and about what Jesus said, well I do not know about that, but I will ask and let u know soon, unless any of my brothers and sisters got the info before me, well that would be double insuring also , but I do think that what brother Anya and sister Umm said is right, since we have The Holy Quran, true Word of Allah not changed, and The Prophet's(SAW) Ahadeeths and doings, then we do not need to go back to any other book or compare it with The Quran. Now that u beleive in it, just forget anything else and concentrate on Allah's Words(SWT). May Allah bless u and guide u to what He Loves and Pleases. Ameeeeen


And Allah knows best


Wasalam 'alaykom