Adultery – In Biblical And Islamic Terms

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


This is what Intuition sent me:


Sister I'm sure that you are looking for the best interest of us muslims. I know that Johndoe is no angel, but since you asked for my input, I humbly think that he should not be banned. I know that when Allah & his slaves are slandered we should fight the munafiqeen.



But Allah tests us, let us see johndoe as our test. Many Men who used to be open enemies of RasuLuLah and islam became most beloved men to Allah and some of them were given the news that they will be the residers of Jennah. As we all plan, Allah plans, Allah is the Hakeem.


May Allah open johndoes heart towards Islam ameen, and all nonbelievers who come to this forum. And May ALlah bless us all with Sabr


waiting for Ahmed to give me permission

[umm Zachariah]

Assalamu aleikum,


Hi JohnDoe,


It is always good to be concerned for one another, that brings humbleness and thankfulness to our hearts and souls. That is good start...


Please try to have in mind that Islam teaches us to be very AWARE of what is acceptable and what is not, and adultery is one the things that is NOT acceptable. And therefore Allah, SWT has given the responsibility to each and everyone of us to act accordingly. AND He is fair enough to tell us, 'IF you fail' then you will be punished. So when we have been given all this knowledge, we then can draw our own conclusions HOW to act, as He wishes or against His wishes. Our choice.


It is like you know that if you murder someone, and get convicted by court and the country you live in - as we know the human justice system vary a lot from country to country, far from equal - finds you guilty, you could face the death penalty. But then you also KNOW this could be the result if you chose to not follow the law. Again - a choice to make - to think before act or not.


Regards

[Rehmat]

Fair enough regarding muslim interpretation. My concern is for the poor wretch of a woman who is about to be stoned to death. An incredible injustice.

First of all - Islamic 'Hadood (punishment)' on adultry are any different thant what was prescribed to the early Monoyheist religions - Yahud and Nasara.


Second - These punishments can only be applied within a truely Islamic state - a by a court of justice (Qazi) and not by some Western-style Kangroo court, which mostly is influenced based on race, political connections, or being afraid to be termed as 'Anti-Semite'.


Third - The word 'wretch' has funny interpretations - like fundamentalism, terrorism, women-liberation, secularism, rights of occupation nation to survive, capitalism, etc. etc. Looking at women position in western immoral societies - it always make me laugh when some western tells Muslims to 'grow-up'.


If you want to see 'incredible justice' - May I suggest you study the US or Israel's Human Rights abuses in case of female population. For example, every year over 100, 000 young women are added to the world largest 'prostitution industry' in the US - run by Russian Jewish Mafia - While Israel being the only county in the world where 'sex-slavery' is legalized. Over seven million battered women in the US; women cannot get divorce in Israel through a religious court, and 42% of school girls are involved in sex in the US.


So who is miserable living under the great western justice?

[Anyabwile]

It doesn't matter how you dress it up Umm, it is still a bunch of savages hurling rocks at the head of a fellow human being.

Ahh close! Oh come on, you're getting there but this wasn't harsh enough for you, can't you just slip up already and get yourself banned again. More Islamophobia next time please, and even more offensive than your usual stuff, then Insha Allah we'll be rid of you. I'm sure you know but i would like to confirm that you are aware that you are the only foul muck ridden stain on this board. The one that won't wipe off, no matter how hard you try. Yes, this is very much like you. In fact on some forums there's the option to block out posts from Kafir you don't want to read, can i not do it with this nincompoop?

[umm Zachariah]

Assalamu aleikum,


Brother Anya - I agree this one is one the edge...


Hi JohnDoe,


Just have in mind - I am not dressing up anything, I am giving you what Islam says and that is called something else.


You totally ignore what has lead up to this. There is a chain of occurences that leads up to this penalty. It is action and sentence of guilt and taking responsibility for the crime.


The other possibility, to NOT commit this crime has not been taken as an alternative for the adulterer. But there is an option, a choice to make in this as well as for other things in life and to only ignore the options and choices can be a sign of arrogance.


Regards

[radiyah]

Bismillah


Sister Muslimah, I do not mind to post my Pm, go ahead.


And to my sisters Umm and intuition, below are links were I explained everything about


stoning and its rules, I might not have finished my job there, but then John was not interested to hear more so I left it as it is, u can read it and c if u will succeed where i failed, and I hope u do, or then we are really sorry the baning machine will have to work if any offensive language occurs. And this time for good.


http://www.islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=1070


http://www.islamsms.com/bb/index.php?s...st=0entry5349


Wasalam

[umm Zachariah]

Assalamu aleikum,


Sister Radiyah, thanks for the threads, I have totally missed your 'conversation' with John here - might be as well You done a good job here sister


Sometimes it is difficult to know, since we cannot, only Allah, SWT knows, IF or WHEN the little coin is going to fall down, or when the missing piece of puzzle is going to be found, for the sincere searcher. On the other hand true searchers usually are a bit more restrictive in their language... So hopefully it is a learning process. Like growing up.


Wasalam


Hi JohnDoe


''Crime, what crime ? Not everyone believes what you believe and you seem to have a hard time accepting that.''


Lets put the cards on the table here, I think you have your brain with you, but perhaps you just like to 'play games', so I think the playing period has been way overrunned by now, and now the time of sincerity and truth has come. It is like to have reached a crossroad - you have to make a choice. We all come to them sooner or later and to just continue the way we have does not any longer make any sense, and when it comes to the crossroad it is no longer even possible and it is time to take a step, in one direction or another.


So the crime is the one clearly stated by Allah, SWT and that is adultery. YES it is a crime.


Trust me I have no problems whatsover to 'accept' that the world around me is FAR from the HIGH MORALITY given to us by Islam, since I have my own eyes and ears, alhamdulillah, and they hide nothing of the 'events' for me - BUT it does not mean I have to SUBMIT to it. Anyone that wish, can just take a second or two to reflect on what immorality LEADS to - AND that takes some efforts to do that since one has to totally put aside ones EGO, to come to realize the wisdom behind everything given to us by Allah, SWT. So by the will to look behind the human behaviour of today, the many negative side effects immorality leads to can easily be discovered. So it is rather a question - are you humble enough to look thoroughly into how things are today, or do you prefer to just continue on this way, chosen by people not given by Allah, SWT?


Regards

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


Alhamdulelah everybody is starting to see the truth.


BTW I have no problem what so ever with John's attitude I dont expect anything else. He is one who does not believe Allah Does exist, why do u expect him to accept Allah's rules. He sees the rules of not having sex outside of the wedlock as savage. Well I wonder how he sees himslef paying a traffic fine. The issue is not punishment of zina or other the issue to him and the like is abiding by Divine rules. It makes him scared and rejectful to even express accepting such concept. To him if he does express this will involve major change, challenge. He has to continue fighting his not believing. I am aware of all this. I am also aware we are not wasting our time and effort. He raised many points, we replied Alhamdulelah regardless of him intention.


We are not here to judge intentions neither we are here with someone on the gate forcing people to embrace Islam as soon as they post questions. No they raise point we reply Alhamdulelah because this board will continue Insh a Allah even after our death.


As u all see now that the info was there, also directed to him. He has a problem accepting or not only Allah knows the truth and only Allah Knows His destiny.


But there are limits to what he can say, yes Allah Hears him and still sustains him, provides for him allows him to use Allah's facilities. But there are rules he must abide by.


Now I am waiting for the members to say ok push the ban button.

[umm Zachariah]

Hi JohnDoe,


Your statement just shows your lack of awareness of His power! One day when you have grown up fully, you may even be surprised. Just let me update you - MANY have been in your 'shoes' and just had to realize they became tooooo small...


Regards

[umm Zachariah]

Sorry - pushed the key twice... but take the second time as a reminder...