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Salam Ronniv,
You should have in mind that it is Allah, SWT that is providing for all Muslims, new ones and old ones as well. We have faith in Him and that He gives us guidance in how to conduct according to His will. We put our trust in Him, and Him alone. And our belief is that for everything that He exchanges for us, He gives us something better.
The will of Allah, SWT is that a Muslim woman shall not be married or marry a non-Muslim man. Period. To have any other opinion about this is to go against the will of Allah, SWT. And the Muslim wish is to follow the will of Allah, SWT not go against it.
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Umm what u posted is just exactly what I know. I ve been looking at the fatwa shaunee posted I even went to the site to look at it in Arabic. But no luck as yet.
Look at the fatwa with me,
<b> 3. If her reversion to Islam occurs after the consummation of marriage, and the period of waiting expires, she is allowed to wait for him to embrace Islam even if that period happens to be a lengthy one. Once he does so and reverts to Islam, then their marriage is deemed valid and correct.
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If the underlined part means anything it means that she has to be divorced and spend the waiting period. Am I not right? or fasting affected my ability to comprehend???? ![[Image: cool.gif]](http://www.islamsms.com/bb/html/emoticons/cool.gif)
Then look here also:
Fourth: According to the four main schools of jurisprudence, it is forbidden for the wife to remain with her husband, or indeed to allow him conjugal rights, once her period of waiting has expired. However, some scholars see that it is for her to remain with him, allowing him to enjoy full conjugal rights, if he does not prevent her from exercising her religion and she has hope in him to revert to Islam.
Also these two opions are totally the opposite I am aware that once the Messenger had someone asking him about a word he uttered telling his wife she is haram for him for the lenght of Dahr. Four people interpreted the period of dahr differently, one said a year, whole life and soforth. The Messenger adviced him to take the easiest.
All my aim is that I am concerned with what any of us is typing or telling others. Specially in such situations. I mean other reverts may come and use the posts, u know what i mean??? what do u think???????
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Alsalam 'alaykom
Quote: However, some scholars see that it is for her to remain with him, allowing him to enjoy full conjugal rights, if he does not prevent her from exercising her religion and she has hope in him to revert to Islam.
As I learned from our Fiqh scholar, she told us the moment a woman reverts she is totaly prohibited to have any sexual relation with her ex. because he is considered to be kafir or mushrik and if she commits sexual relations with him she will be considered as an adulter, and adultry is prohibited in Islam and totally forbidden and that is according to Allah's word:
Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:
3. The adulterer marries not but an adulteress or a Mushrikah and the adulteress none marries her except an adulterer or a Muskrik [and that means that the man who agrees to marry (have a sexual relation with) a Mushrikah (female polytheist, pagan or idolatress) or a prostitute, then surely he is either an adulterer, or a Mushrik (polytheist, pagan or idolater, etc.) And the woman who agrees to marry (have a sexual relation with) a Mushrik (polytheist, pagan or idolater) or an adulterer, then she is either a prostitute or a Mushrikah (female polytheist, pagan, or idolatress, etc.)].<b> Such a thing is forbidden to the believers (of Islâmic Monotheism).</b>
Translation of the above aya by Scholar Ibn Katheer(ra)
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=24&tid=35505
So the words underlined are clear and enough proof that it is forbidden for the beleivers to mary a mushrik, once she reverted she should not allow him to touch her, she should invite him to Islam, if he accepted then okay there should be a new marriage according to the islamic marriage laws, and even if he was willing to become a muslim the imam in the masjid must intreview him and talk to him and know of his true intentions, because there are many that revert to islam just to marry muslim women while they are not truly muslims. If u will be kind enough shaunee dear and provide us with the link to that fatwa u provided by scholar Qaradwi. We want to know where u got that fatwa from.
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Quote:That's a nice story for that female singer, my dream is to have my daughter grow up Islamic. In fact that particular thing is something i haven't actually prayed to Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala) about yet. I will be on the case now i've thought about it. I would say there's not much luck for that with her at the moment living around my EX but Insha Allah as she grows older, her route will only be pure.
Yes brother Anya, just pray for Allah to save her and keep her close to u, and by his
will she will follow the right path Ameeeeeeeen ![[Image: smile.gif]](http://www.islamsms.com/bb/html/emoticons/smile.gif)
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As I said on my previous post, since we are totally responsible about all what we type here. Moreover being the mods team, we even more responsible before Allah on what we allow of contents on the site.
Me and Radiyah made more research, and I found this link on Islamway. They too were concerned about this crucial issue.
http://discover.islamway.com/bindex.php?...n=marriage
Pls visit the link. Mash a Allah it has a comprehensive respose.
To shaunee, when I told u to re read Anya's post I meant to really take an indepth look at it. Shaunee in your journey to Islam, when u find Allah, the truth and the light, we dont mean to push u but trying to help. Just put Allah First and foremost. Then think to yourslef.
Both Anya and Jennifer meant that just do what is right in the Eyes of Allah, show Allah sincere intention and just sit and watch THe All Capable working on your behalf. Dont look at things thru your own very very very limited perception compared to Allah Wisdom.... Just a word from the heart.
and NO compulsion in religion.
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Assalamu aleikum sister,
Insha'Allah you will find it in Arabic. Maybe it is easier to understand.
Is the Fatwa about the three months waiting period Iddah? I don't quite get it.
Let me put it this way. There is another situation when the husband divorces his wife by Halalah by saying/divorcing her trice and if they THEN want to remarry she has to marry (of love, necessity not valid according to hadith) another man before that? Is the situation described in this Fatwa another one - they are still married 'on the paper' but not consumating marriage?
The second point is not any easier. The first one sounds understandable that when the waiting period is over - its over. I don't understand the other one that if the period is over everything goes back to 'normal'. Is this the situation even if the husband is still a non-Muslim? To me that sounds like making zina.
Allah o alem sister, this one is tricky. And I must tell you that Shari'ah is not one of my strong sides ![[Image: sad.gif]](http://www.islamsms.com/bb/html/emoticons/sad.gif)
Insha'Allah I will look through my book on Shari'ah and see if I can find anything that relate to this.
Sorry sister for not being of any help
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NO Muslim women are NOT allowed to marry a non muslim man. Point blank, not doubt, no debate.
The problem here is living in a non-Islamic state.... where the laws of the West collide with Sharia. So, the birth of the European Council of Fatwa and Research can assist with this problem.
Divorce laws differ throughout all fifty states. How can a Muslim abide by Sharia, and be bound to the USA at the same time?
It is totally impossible for me to just "get a divorce". You may be able to do that in Iran, Iraq, Saudi, Pakistan, Lybia, Syria, but not elsewhere.
Converting a husband in USA is not as easy as if we were in a Muslim country. This is a whole different world... they'll put you on a terrorist watch list or something. How on earth do you open someones mind? It's sooo so different here. and thank God for the ECFR to help us with our situations.
I'm just throwing in the towel on this one. I don't know what else to do. I'll just believe what I believe in, and let it go.
You know what bothers me the most? I can see the point in telling me about a serious sin... but for some reason I feel like I could say the Shahada till I'm blue in the face..... and in the eyes of every other Muslim, I'm still a Catholic.
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Assalamu aleikum,
Shukran sisters R and M for looking into this matter some more.
The only thing I was able to find goes like this; ''If a non-Muslim couple embraced Islam, their marriage shall continue to subsist. But if only one of them accepted Islam such a marriage is to be dissolved without a divorce. If it is the wife who embraced Islam, and the marraige is subsequently so dissolved, and she started to observe the idda; now, if the husband followed suit during the idda; then the husband will have first claim to her...'' From 'Shari'ah The Islamic Law' by Abdur Rahman I. Doi.
Dear sister Shaunee,
I asked for your lines and when I got them they made me so sad . I do understand what you are saying about the problems, the collision between the Islamic Law and the non-Islamic law of the country one lives in. What is this ECFR that you refer to? Is it some kind of organisation that help Muslims living in non-Muslims countries?
Please sister try to be patient, I know it is easy to say, difficult to live up to, but for now it is the only thing to do. Let some time pass, hopefully some things settles down a bit at least. Turn yourself to Allah, SWT seek His guidance how to coupe for now. Pray to Him, make dua, read the Qur'an and learn about Islam. And also try to be in touch with the Muslim community where you live. Through the mosque or an Islamic center. Sister it is not easy, but Allah, SWT is surely testing you and in the same way strengthening you. Take this challenge and gain from it insha'Allah.
And please write to us here, even if we are far away physically we are always insha'Allah reachable if the technic works. Or if you don't like to put all your feelings visible on the screen, please don't hesitate to PM to me, insha'Allah I do what I can to support you. If you don't know many Muslims for now, then at least it can be good to have a sister to turn to that understands, at least more or less, what you are going through.
Sister you are a MUSLIMAH now and nothing else! If someone calls you otherwise, they are just ignorant people that cannot be much in fear of Allah, SWT. I am also being called now and then a Christian when going outside my house, in spite that my outlook shows far from that. They are just ignorant. Faith is between you and Allah, SWT sister and people are just people they come and go. Some is better some is worse. But Allah, SWT is ALWAYS there for you, remember He does not sleep nor slumber, always awake to receive your prayer.
Don't isolate yourself, don't be a stranger, let us hear from you constantly. Yes I know your faith is yours and only yours, BUT that does not mean that you are alone! You must use us to help you through this. The words brotherhood and sisterhood are not just empty words.
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<b>I can see the point in telling me about a serious sin... but for some reason I feel like I could say the Shahada till I'm blue in the face..... and in the eyes of every other Muslim, I'm still a Catholic
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I am afraid I dont understand this statement quite well Shaunee.
Shaunee, let it me talk to u from heart to heart. If u felt for a moment that we dont feel or understand your situation, then u r wrong. We exactly know how u feel. U r going thru much change and full transformation. We know that.
In our endeavor to post more material, is only due to our responsiblility before Allah, we can not let info that directly affects the level of a religion of someone be posted unless are fully verified. So we had to dig and bring more material.
As for the link to Arabic site, I already went to this site and tried searching but no luck.
If u look again at the points I highlighted, The point says that the woman after observing Idat, which is an implicaiton that the marriage is automatically dissolved.
Now as far as your own position, that is totally between u and Allah. No one can really tell u what to do.
But I can only post this Ayah for u to ponder on:
"And disgrace me not on the Day when (all the creatures) will be resurrected; * The Day whereon neither wealth nor sons will avail, * Except him who brings to Allah a clean heart [clean from Shirk (polytheism) and Nifaq (hypocrisy)]." (Quran 26:87-89)
And
"The Day when Maulan (a near relative) cannot avail Maulan (a near relative) in aught, and no help can they receive," (Quran 44:41)
And
"And no bearer of burdens shall bear another's burden, and if one heavily laden calls another to (bear) his load, nothing of it will be lifted even though he be near of kin." (Quran 35:18)
Shaunee of the Day After, nothing and noone can help except what u believe in. So if u by the Grace of Allah reached the truth. Again look at the perviously mentioned Ayahs and ask Allah to help u make the correct decision. meanwhile I think u seriously need our dua
Brothers and sisters say ameen with me
Alhamdulelah, Allahum sallai a`al Mohamed wa aleh wa sahbeh
Allahum Guid Shaunee to the correct path
O Allah this is your devotee shaunee, she saw the light, but she is having difficulty, O Allah One Who Gets ways out of unexpected ways, Find her a way out.
O Allah Best of Planners plan the best for her and arrange the best. O Allah Settle her matters to the best for her and her family ameen.
O Allah Makes all her matters as easy as possible since U R the Only One who can do that.
walhmaudlelah Rubel a`lameen
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