Pride: Islam's Worst Enemy

[Peace in Ireland]

jews are jews they will never change.

Here's a list of questions that will rhetorically force you to recognize your own ignorance:


What is a Jew?


Does a man of half Jewish, half Irish blood count?


What is the identifiable genome of "the Jews?"


Are the Jews a secular racial group or purely a religious organization?


Have you, personally, watched TV, listened to radio, read a newspaper, or received any sort of news-wire in the last 30 years? If so, you'd know that an enormous precentage of "Jews" do not support Isreal and wish for peace between Arabs and Jews.


What prion or genetic reactor supposedly forces Jews to do everything inimical to the Muslims way of life?


However, all this is of no matter to anti-semites who are blind to both Eastern and Western critical race logic because of an irrational furvor toward social racial construction, and more specifically, hatred of the Jews.


I'm curious to see how many people will decry Radiyah's blantant racist statements against the Jews. Are you also pro-Nazi Radiyah?

[Muslimah]

<b>Peace may be u need to read the so clearly posted rules of the forum next time before u reply..</b>



Sobhan Allah I was going to change their format into just a link taking the member to the rules.


I just edited your post for the first time in two years.


To answer your questions Peace, I will quote from Quran, since u dont believe in Quran I will spare u the time.


But as Dan said, and I wonder why u didnt have this attitude towards his reply, it is almost the same.


Peace again u ve always shown respect to members when u discuss regardless of the difference, we need to keep this, I think Radiyah was very respectful to your post and provided info.


As I told u on another thread, u play this racist issue simply becasue u can not or dont want to admit that Islam is the ONLY again the ONLY true religion accepted to Allah. Sorry to tell u this but it is peace.


Allah in Quran Say we will be in war with the Jews and it will be one of the signs of the hour. Which makes your assumptions not valid. OK

[umm Zachariah]

Assalamu aleikum,


just trying to catch up with 'Who is a Jew' - an easy task? Found this on the web-site Jews for Allah:


''What is the difference between a Semite, a Hebrew, an Israelite, and a "Jew"?


Are these terms equivalent in any way and can they be used interchangeably?


A Semite (or, "Shemite") is someone descended from Shem, one of the sons of Noah. A Hebrew is someone descended from Heber (or, "Eber"), one of the great-grandsons of Shem. So all Hebrews are Semites, but not all Semites are Hebrews.


Six generations after Heber, Abraham was born to his line, so Abraham was both a Hebrew and a Semite, born of the line of Heber and Shem.


Isaac was born of Abraham; then Jacob of Isaac. Jacob's name was changed to "Israel," and he fathered 12 sons. His sons and their descendants are called Israelites, and they would be both Semitic and Hebrew. However, this would not make either Abraham or Isaac "Israelites." Some, who interchange the words "Jew" and Israelite, call Abraham a Jew, even though Abraham was not even an Israelite, and the word "Jew" is not used in the Bible until 1,000 years after Abraham.


One of Jacob-Israel's children was Judah (Hebrew - Yehudah). His descendants were called Yehudim ("Judahites"). In Greek this reads Ioudaioi ("Judeans").


The confusing factor is that almost all Bible translations employ the word "Jew," which is a modern, shortened form of the word "Judahite." Every time you come to the word "Jew" in the Old Scriptures, you should read "Judahite;" and every time you come to the word "Jew" in the New Scriptures, you should read it as "Judean."


Once you have those proper translations in mind, then we have to interpret those words further, because they can have more than one meaning, depending on the context. In the Old Testament, the word "Judahite" has three distinct usage's:


one who is of the tribe of Judah in a racial sense;


one who is a citizen of the southern "House of Judah," including the tribes of Benjamin and Levi. Thus, this word can be used either tribally (racially) or geographically (nationally).


This is also used in a religious sense of those who followed the religion of Judah. At the time of Esther, many non-Israelites "became Jews" (that is, Judahites) as the result of the Judahite victory (Esther 8:17).


In the New Testament, the Greek word Ioudeos should be translated "Judean." Again, this term was used in the same manner:


one who is of the tribe of Judah in the racial sense;


one who is a citizen of the province of Judea (as opposed to Galilee and Samaria), as is shown in John 7:1. This usage is geographical, and it applied also to the non-Israelite citizens of Judea who had been incorporated into the nation in 135 B.C.; and


a follower of the religion of Judah as given by Moses and the prophets. This usage is found in Romans 2:28 and 29.


Therefore, we can say:


All Israelites are Hebrews and Semites.


Only a few of the Israelites were called Jews (or, Judahites, Judeans).


Many non-Israelites were called Jews (Judahites, Judeans) simply because they lived in Judah or claimed to follow the religion of the Judeans. ''

[Peace in Ireland]

And I'm sure it is easy to decypher between these sub-sets of people at a glance right?


Muslimah, if you cannot see that Radiyah's post was clearly anti-semetic, you are truely sad. Passive aggressive racism riddles that post. It would be as if I were to say something like this in an intra-American context:


"Don't worry about it. No matter how hard we try to make peace with them, the Negro will always break his promises and start smoking crack and raping White women again."


The Reason I replied so much harsher to Radiyah's post than to pervious ones is that Radiyah's was sort of the straw that broke the camels back. It is aggrevating to listen to war-hungry biggots spout racist propaganda under the protection of the rules on this site. Certain members on this site refuse to accept that maybe the world has changed since anceint times. THat we can't go around lobbing each other's heads off and expect to somehow "win." They do not want peace.


Personally, I am a strong opponent of anything that signifies racial superiority: social Darwinism, Manifest Destiny, inherant goodness among a specific people, etc. However, the inability of many people on this board to even acknowledge a different kind of thinking flies in the face of progressivism.


Muslimah, I've enjoyed being on this board for many years and most of the conversations I have here are extremely informative (i.e., "Can Muslims Eat...."). However, I refuse to sit back and watch someone spread filth about the good Jewish people. People I personally know. People who are my friends, who work at the store, who are related to me, who taught me that many Jews are anti-Isreal and pro-peace. The good Muslim people are also harmed by this archaic way of thinking. Muslims I know personally; my boss, my ex-girlfriend, my soccer pal, my teacher; do not think in these violent, racist ways and when members on this board write these things, it is easy to understand why there is such great anti-Islam sentiments in the United States and elsewhere.


Again, I cannot help but draw a parellel to the Irish in this case. Many Irish, so obsessed with killing the Protestants and refusing to live peacefully with them, have made the Irish an internationally hated group. There is a saying that calls the Irish "The (African-Americans) of Europe" however 'African-American' is a differnt word that rhymes with "diggers." Is this what Muslims (and Jews) want? To be considered an insane people whom nobody will have sympathy for?


If it is necessary to ban me for my refusal to allow anti-semetic (anti-negro, anti-latino, anti-gypsy, anti-muslim etc.) statements slide, then so be it. You may want to check previous posts of mine when racist American jingos have posted something anti-muslim. I was always there to bark him down and disspell rumours about the good muslim people. Why can I not do the same for Jews?

[Muslimah]

BTW Peace just think about it, in a way we as Muslims are semites ourselves, so just ponder on this and stop siding the jews in their efforts to gain sympathy under the pretext of anti semitism. What Radiay was talking about, may be will take a longer time to explain, but as the Quran states the Jews always did break their promises with the Messenger. So she was not making this up.


U know what Peace, just wait and watch the incidents Insh a Allah and why would I ban u, u broke no rules


Sorry I can not help but to quote from Quran here:


"And We decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture, that indeed you would do mischief on the earth twice and you will become tyrants and <b>extremely arrogant!</b> (I will just add a comment here the underlined part means more become so developed and superior)* So, when the promise came for the first of the two, We sent against you slaves of Ours given to terrible warfare. They entered the very innermost parts of your homes. And it was a promise (completely) fulfilled. * Then We gave you once again, a return of victory over them. And We helped you with wealth and children and made you <b>more numerous in man power.</b> (let me also step in here: the underline part means we provided u with means to be more heard that is the literal translation in other words We allowed u better means of communication dont they alomst own the media Truth Says Allah) * And We said): "If you do good, you do good for your ownselves, and if you do evil (you do it) against yourselves." Then, when the second promise came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to make your faces sorrowful and to enter the mosque (of Jerusalem) as they had entered it before, and to destroy with utter destruction all that fell in their hands. * [And We said in the Taurat (Torah)]: "It may be that your Lord may show mercy unto you, but if you return (to sins), We shall return (to Our Punishment). And We have made Hell a prison for the disbelievers." (Quran 17:4:8)


Look here:


"He it is Who drove out the disbelievers among the people of the Scripture (i.e. the Jews of the tribe of Bani An-Nadir) from their homes at the first gathering. You did not think that they would get out. And they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah! But Allah's (Torment) reached them from a place whereof they expected it not, and He cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their own dwellings with their own hands and the hands of the believers. Then take admonition, O you with eyes (to see).* And had it not been that Allah had decreed exile for them, He would certainly have punished them in this world, and in the Hereafter theirs shall be the torment of the Fire." (Quran 59:2-3)


To further understand exactly the second Ayah may be u can look into the tafseer of course I can tell u the incident but I would rather have u read it yourself.


O boy sorry peace I tried hard for about 45 minutes to look for a link of tafsir Quran (explanation of Quran including reasons behind revealing certain Ayahs) it would have helped u a lot.


Well later on try this on www.tafsir.com it was down when I tried accessing, but Radiyah used it, so it must Insh a Allah run other time. Look for the explanation of the Ayahs I included for u.

[radiyah]

Alsalam 'alaykom


Well, all this happened while I am away a few days, I did not mean to offend any1, I do not hate any1 not even jews, if Peace is really reading posts here about the jews he would for sure read my answers and the sites I provided as well as sister muslimah of catholic jews who are <b>against</b> the state f Israel, and how they are saying that they have no right in the land of Israel, maybe I mispresented what I wanted to say. And yes I read magazines I c tv and I know what is going around the world, but it seems u did not get me, I do not talk from myself, I just stated what is in the Holy Quran, which u do not beleive in, then there is not much that we can do about that can we except pray to Allah to enlighten your heart and c the truth.

I'm curious to see how many people will decry Radiyah's blantant racist statements against the Jews. Are you also pro-Nazi Radiyah?

Well u have john answered with his same answers and ideas, and hazams seem to be gone and not here, and whoever comes I do not care I will not change a word from what Allah has promised and stated in the Quran to please human beings.

What Radiay was talking about, may be will take a longer time to explain, but as the Quran states the Jews always did break their promises with the Messenger. So she was not making this up.
U know what Peace, just wait and watch the incidents Insh a Allah and why would I ban u, u broke no rules

We will wait and c sister, if not now in this life in the life hereafter they will know what we meant.


But still I will pray for them in my prayers, and I really do hope that their hearts will be enlightened and c the truth oneday.


Peace I do not know if u read this post, read it if u r interested


http://www.islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=1627


http://www.jatonyc.org/irish.html


Peace

[Muslimah]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Peace in Ireland" data-cite="Peace in Ireland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="1882" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Certain members on this site refuse to accept that maybe the world has changed since anceint times.

I would go as far as to say most of the muslim members fall into this category with a few exceptions. We know a few that would be happy to see the return of stoning, beheading and lopping off the hands and feet of petty criminals.

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Strange enough but u still like our company JD

[Peace in Ireland]

I'm glad to see that there has been at least some discourse on this issue and that Radiyah has made it more clear that he/she(?) wasn't trying to be racist or anti-Jew. However, Radiyah, as a word of caution, stereotypes are very dangerous. They lump people into certain rigid castes and prohibit understanding and progress toward peace. I would be very careful to say "Jews will be Jews and will always break their promisses" when you know full well there are countless Jews who do not fit this description.


And Muslimah. Thank you for understanding that I do not, personally, believe the Qu'ran is the definitive word on everything. THat was one of the things that drew me to this board; that Muslims, people who may want to become (or return to being, as you say) Muslims, and people who have no interest in converting to Islam, could come and freely discuss Islam without fear of ridicule. Anyway, I think we've beaten this topic to death. Time to stop beating a dead horse (as we say in this crazy country.) I wish to discuss Ramadaan related items as it is coming up (or already here?) so you'll probably see me on the Ramadaan section more often.


Also, I'll be without internet access for a little while. Hopefully no more than a week or so. So don't think I was abducted by aliens or kidnapped by crazy hillbillies or anything.


See you all soon,


PII.


Erin Go Bragh!

[Shereen]

this is SO stupid .....iam angry

[Peace in Ireland]

Yup, stupid people do stupid things. Black, White, Latino, Jews, Muslim, Straight, Gay, Rich, Poor, they all do stupid things.