A Statement On The Beheading!

[Hazams]

Since we are on note of talking about massacres, let's talk a little bit about Darfur where millions upon millions have died to siege of the muslim rebels. Where is the outcry over what's happening over there? Talk about double standards. And secondly, it was "U.N." sanctions that were placed on Iraq, not U.S. sanctions. So, in case you thought you were speaking with some sort of knowledge of what actually happend during you're little diatribe, why don't you stop blaming the U.S., and blame Hussien for his nuclear ambitions?

[islam_enlightment]

"Since we are on note of talking about massacres, let's talk a little bit about Darfur where millions upon millions have died to siege of the muslim rebels."


The Janjaweed are rebels, that also kill sudanese. 50k thousand Darfurians were killed, not millions upon millions.


"it was "U.N." sanctions that were placed on Iraq, not U.S. sanctions."


Since when does the the U.N act on its own? America placed the sanction, using UN as the name, so the Americans bombers that killed Iraqi children were also U.N? And that makes it alright?


"why don't you stop blaming the U.S"


Lets see, The US are funding Israelis to kill arabs, the US are responsible for the 1.5 million iraqi deaths. The US bombed Afghanis. The US bombed Libya. The US bombed a Sudanese "Chemical Factory" which was making aspirins. Tell me, why shouldn't I blame the US? They are bombing and killing many Muslims.


"blame Hussien for his nuclear ambitions?"


OK why did the US, sorry "UN" starve an entire nation, as well as bomb them at a weekly basis, for the past 10 years? Saddams palaces were still intact, while civil structures were bombed.

[lifutushi]

i never thought of Saddam Hussein as a good man...


but i also never believe in the stories of his "Nuclear Ambitions"...


by the way, if there is nuclear project in Iraq? where is it? why don't U.S. troops show it to the world so that their killings will be justified? they can't, because there wasn't any nuclear in Iraq from the beginning...

[Saeed]

John Doe, YOU are being naive if you think that Saddam has WMD. If, as you say, UN has dismantled WMD of Iraq, then why did America say that it went to war with Iraq to get rid of the WMD? So America has no idea what the UN is doing?


THERE WAS NO WMD IN IRAQ! STOP LIVING A LIE!

[lifutushi]

I think you are being naive if you don't think Hussein had nuclear ambitions. He did have nuclear programs and the UN made him dismantle them. The WMD seems to be well wide of the reality, so far.

so where are those WMD?? show me if you are true!!!!

[lifutushi]

so Saddam HAD, which mean he NO LONGER HAS, right? so what was the purpose of killing so many Iraqis just to topple a disabled tyrant?

[NaSra]

When I first heard that they found sadam I did not know how to react to his capture, at first i was thinking it could be one of his many clones but they did say they had dna tests done (if u can take the word of any american official as truth). What troubles me about this so-called joyous occasion to rid the world of "evil" is that the very ppl who took him down were the ones who handed him weapons to destroy others. He was their man who did the dirty work for them, but if u ask me, the real evil lies with thoses imperialists/colonial dominators who use others as tools for their master plan-which is having the world at their fingertips, to direct it as they wish and to further humiliate the muslim community.

I maintain that Saddam probably did harbour ambitions of obtaining nuclear weapons. He was a despotic, tyrant of a dictator who brutalised much of population of Iraq and was a constant threat to neighbouring states.

One thing I have noticed is that confused Americans which you are one of Johndoe still believe in the nonsense, promoted by the White House and neo-conservatives, that Iraq was behind the 9/11 attacks and was bristling with deadly weapons that could annihilate the US and UK `in 45 minutes and had to be invaded! It Seems to me that Iraqis, Iranians, Pakistanis, Saudis, Taliban, and al-Qaida, are all too much for many geographically and historically challenged Americans who dont care whether their government lied to them about the invasion of iraq or not. They simply wanted to see some muslims get screwed in retaliation for 9-11. Didn't matter if they did it or not..


There are only two countries who are best-known and who are the most efficient secret manufucturers of weapons of mass destruction, Isreal and their big buddy America, it's about time someone brings those two to justice.


Fighting-terrorism officially= declaring war against islam, Allah told us that the non-believers would forever be in warfare with the muslimeen, irrespective of whether or not they display this intention. For them to not openly wage war on Islam is nothing more than a tactic (which seems to be working). Not all enemies are so honorable as to openly verbalise their distaste for you and their wish for your demise.

[Ibn_Kumuna35]

At that time, the "West" was supplying weapons to Iraq to counter Irans ambitions. The west knew Saddamm was a despot, but he was "our" despot. The enemy of my enemy is my friend type thing. Your imperialism and conspiracy theory rhetoric is just that.

Salaam Alaikum!


That sounds similar--indeed exact--to Daniel Pipes "moderate" evil. Since evil itself is an absolute term--one hopes--it would seem frivolous to induce that there can be a "moderate" or "lesser" evil, if you will. Indeed, the support of Saddam to topple Iran resulted in defusing one "evil" while at the same time impregnating another. Its as geometric as a circle.


--Ibn

[islam_enlightment]

Dear John Doe.

"At that time, the "West" was supplying weapons to Iraq to counter Irans ambitions. The west knew Saddamm was a despot, but he was "our" despot. The enemy of my enemy is my friend type thing. Your imperialism and conspiracy theory rhetoric is just that."

You see the hypocracy, when the kurds were being gassed with Americas weopans, the world turned their face in respect to Iraq. America was supplying Iraq to kill Iranians, as Israel supplied weopans to Iran to kill Iraqis. The Iran-Iraq war made no purpose, and an example of mulims killing muslims. I know that Saddam was installed to power by the C.I.A, but they gave him an immidiate objective, destablize the region. Saddam's trial would probably never take place, or completely wouldn't be just because of the knowledge he has in the C.I.A, oh by the way, Saddam's excuse of invading Kuwait was because kuwaitis were making Iraqi women there 10 dinar prostitutes, so he said that he invaded Kuwait for keeping the Iraqi honor.

"Ousting the Taleban was, in my opinion, warranted. The country was being "run" by a bunch of savages."

You seem to be the expert in Afghanistan, now tell me how far does the authority of the Northen Alliance stretch? Just Kabul, the rest of Afghanistan were ruled by warlords even during the Taleban times. Why would America give the Taleban 245 million $ 5 months before 9/11? The last man to succesfuly conquer Afghanistan was Alexander of Greece thousands of years ago. Bottom Line, same Afghanistan different name.

" And you see flying planes into buildings as justice perhaps?"

I wouldn't justify that, but no excuse to murder women and children.


John Doe, why is it the US government accusing Iran linking with al qaeda, and probable nuclear arms in a couple of year? Well you have North Korea whom proudly say they have nukes. The North Koreans are developing nukes to reach America and has enough nukes to wipe out Japan. Think straight North Korea is a real threat to America and it's allies, rather than Iraq or Afghanistan

[islam_enlightment]

I agree, the USA (or CIA) foreign policy has caused nothing but grief. Our politicians are out of their minds most of the time.

Well at least that's one thing we both agree on.

The Northern "Alliance" are another bunch of savages.

Well that makes another agreement

Why would America give the Taleban 245 million $ 5 months before 9/11?

Wish I knew why....

I would say it has been conquered now. In retrospect, it may have been more prudent to let the Russians sort it out in the 80s.

And what conquered Afghanistan do you speak of?

But OK to murder adult males ? Firefighters, office clerks, cleaners etc ? That is acceptable ? There is almost always a hint of ambiguity about muslim condemnation of terrorism.

Sorry for not making it clear, I WONT JUSTIFY ANY OF THOSE DEATHS, AND ITS PURE MURDER. also that is not the excuse for killing other women and children for revenge, where is reward for both parties to kill women and children?

Because they have (faulty) intellegence that says so ?

Shame, billions are spent on the CIA, and all they can show are faulty information..

Because Iran publicly says so.

Can you please show your sources that Iran publicly said it was going to make Nuclear Arms?

Are they more of a threat or less of a threat than Iran ? Perhaps they Amercan diplomats see a way of reasoning with N.Korea ?

Why dont you work it out with Iran, that is going to have a nuclear power plant? What will happen if talks fails and North Korea black mails everyone to get what it wants?