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lifutushi · 09-01-2004, 06:40 AM

Quote:Remember this...no 9/11....no Americans in Iraq or Afghanistan. Osama gave Bush the excuse he needed

i don't like to say this to you but i have to

"go and read a world history book!"

islam_enlightment · (This post was last modified: 09-01-2004, 12:54 PM by islam_enlightment.)

megadeth, if only it was that simple, no 9/11 no afghanistan. let me tell you, before 9/11, 1.5 million (500000 of them children) iraqis were dead of US sanctions and bombs? would you justify that? American Government is not an innocent one, and no one talks about them. But everyone cries over 3000(not that I am saying 9/11 it is a good thing infact a very bad thing) now tell me isnt the death of more than a MILLION should be a crises?

I would love to see bush and his dad for war crimes against innocent civilians. That wouldn't happen because it doesnt fit in a story in America, that states "US persident under war crimes for responisble for more than a million deaths" but "Iraqi President under war crimes for 'having' WMD" makes more sence.

I don't support the killing of any civilians, may it be jews, but be real, America has killed many many more innocents than bin laden, Israel has killed many more civilians than bin laden. Also you see how angry you are when Bin Laden bombed the two towers, that he cowardly attacked civilians.

In Iraq after the war that ousted Saddam, American bombs had already killed more than 10000 people. America has killed more afghanis than the death toll of 9/11. So the Iraqis are that are fighting against this occupation is justified. Wouldnt you fight if your countries unemployment rate is over 70%? And that they keep on bombing civilians? As well as destroy your nation and set a priority of extinguesh oil fire rather than a neigborhood fire?

We dont have to visit Allah at night, Allah has written his commands in the Quran al Kareem, and it says we should defend ourselves and lands not kill innocent people.

Jeniffer, You are right. If the arab world united into one nation, then we can destroy the zionist terrorists, as well as defend ourselves from American aggresions.

lifutushi · 09-01-2004, 01:03 PM

Israel have been killing Palestine for half a century.....

U.S. have been killing Iraqis for more than 1 decade.....

Megadeth · 09-01-2004, 03:45 PM

lifutushi - Why read a book when I have an expert like you around to tell me how everything should be? And if I don't like it I'm sure you'll just kill a mother and child in England because of it.

Facts really piss you off don't they?

Megadeth · 09-01-2004, 04:27 PM

megadeth, if only it was that simple, no 9/11 no afghanistan. let me tell you, before 9/11, 1.5 million (500000 of them children) iraqis were dead of US sanctions and bombs? You mean when Saddam invaded Kuwait and the middle east needed us to kick him out? I'm sure some innocent people died, but who started it? Your talking like the US decided one day for no reason to invade Iraq. A Muslim was killing other Muslims like Saddam always did. I remember when Afghanistan was fighting Russians. They didn't mind those Americans being around then helping them kill Russians did they? Yea...I'd justify that.

would you justify that?

American Government is not an innocent one, and no one talks about them. But everyone cries over 3000(not that I am saying 9/11 it is a good thing infact a very bad thing) now tell me isnt the death of more than a MILLION should be a crises?
Find me an innocent government. Second, I'm speaking fact when I say 3,000 people died and it gave Bush and excuse. You people act as if this was some sort of support for the man. It's not, but reality is that it gave him a reason to go to war.

I would love to see bush and his dad for war crimes against innocent civilians. That wouldn't happen because it doesnt fit in a story in America, that states "US persident under war crimes for responisble for more than a million deaths" but "Iraqi President under war crimes for 'having' WMD" makes more sence.
Where are you when Muslim leaders are killing innocent people? Where was Osama as Saddam killed thousands of Muslims? Where were was Osama then? Where were your protest then?



I don't support the killing of any civilians, may it be jews, but be real, America has killed many many more innocents than bin laden, Israel has killed many more civilians than bin laden. Also you see how angry you are when Bin Laden bombed the two towers, that he cowardly attacked civilians.
So now its about keeping score. Whoever kills less innocent people is the one who is in the right. Sorry, I'm not buying into that thinking.



In Iraq after the war that ousted Saddam, American bombs had already killed more than 10000 people. America has killed more afghanis than the death toll of 9/11. So the Iraqis are that are fighting against this occupation is justified. Wouldnt you fight if your countries unemployment rate is over 70%? And that they keep on bombing civilians? As well as destroy your nation and set a priority of extinguesh oil fire rather than a neigborhood fire?
You know why people followed Hitler? Because when things are bad insanity makes sense. Your justifying acts of violence. What would help these people more? Money coming into the country or more oil pipelines blowing up. The US is not staying in Iraq. You know that. If the US was going to try to take over Iraq I'd understand it more, but that's not what's going on.



We dont have to visit Allah at night, Allah has written his commands in the Quran al Kareem, and it says we should defend ourselves and lands not kill innocent people.
I guess its how you defend it. You think people like Sadr are helping things get better. I don't.



Jeniffer, You are right. If the arab world united into one nation, then we can destroy the zionist terrorists, as well as defend ourselves from American aggresions.



Well if the Koran says it why can't you all get together and face us. We'll take that any day of the week. We'd knock you out and then make Israel a little bigger than it is now.



This post has been edited by islam_enlightment on Sep 1 2004, 12:54 PM

Megadeth · 09-01-2004, 04:29 PM

Osama told him it's true so it must be true. No Muslim would lie to another.

I love how all of these Muslims were rushing to get Saddam out of power when he was killing his own people. Where were these terrorist then?

Megadeth · 09-01-2004, 04:30 PM

They'll rush to suicide to kill children somewhere, but you can't find one to kill Saddam.

americanman · (This post was last modified: 09-02-2004, 12:40 AM by Dan.)

All of this is bull anyway. It all comes down to money.... be it lira, dollars, euros, or pesos... It doesn't matter. Bush is not solely to blame. It is partly because of the US government, but more importantly Big Business. If this war is about oil, we are fighting it for political/financial reasons. It's no different than they way OPEC controls their resources and holds other contries 'hostage' for money etc... Somehow, the line 'in the sand' that divides all of us as people has been misconstrued as a religious one. I consider people from all creeds my brethren. I was raised a catholic and found problems with that, so I don't practice any more. Does that make me a bad person? Probably not.

I don't think that anyone wants to see more death throughout this whole thing. It is just becoming a revenge for revenge for revenge thing. What is the point of disembodying a person that is in Iraq to help the people there??? It serves no purpose other than perpetuating the violence. Yes, Afghanistan was retribution for the attack on 9/11. Like it or not, it is fact. Additionally, the Taliban was a notoriously oppressive government. Those people weren't living 'in peace' under their rule. They were living in dire poverty, with little hope for a future. Don't make it out like Iraq and Afghanistan were wonderful places where muslims lived peacefully prior to us going there. What about all of the atrocities Saddam committed on his own people? Remember the Kurds?

If you want peace, and I want peace, why can't we reach some agreement? Is it because of religion... or politics,... or maybe.. $$$? These wars are our fathers' and grandfathers'. I believe and hope that through open mindedness and globalization, we can achieve peace in the future. Our generation is not our fathers'. The bigotry, hatred, jealousy, and violence needs to go.

islam_enlightment · (This post was last modified: 09-01-2004, 06:26 PM by islam_enlightment.)

John Doe since when does the US listen to the UN? AND IS IT JUSTIFIED?, my source is THE UN!!!!! heres a source from a western media

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/418625.stm

"Yea...I'd justify that."

Megadeth you justify the deaths of more than a million iraqis, and that its their fault fot all the loses, sit back and think, was it necessary to bomb schools, mosques, hospitals to get the iraqis? AS WELL AS KEEP SADDAMS PALACES INTACT???? NO I WONT JUSTIFY MURDER OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND OF INNOCENT CHILDREN!!!

"Find me an innocent government. Second, I'm speaking fact when I say 3,000 people died and it gave Bush and excuse. You people act as if this was some sort of support for the man. It's not, but reality is that it gave him a reason to go to war."

The war against Afghanistan seems like a "supreme" victory against the "evil doesrs". When you talk about President of Afghanistan, remember it's mayor of Kabul, because thats how far his authority streches, only in Kabul, the rest are ruled by warlords. the Convoy Of Death in which 3000 afghani prisoners were brutaly murdered by the Northen Alliance as well as US soldiers were with them is another example of brutality and human right violation, then why should the US butt into people problem in human violation? The UAE government is an innocent one.

"Where are you when Muslim leaders are killing innocent people? Where was Osama as Saddam killed thousands of Muslims? Where were was Osama then? Where were your protest then?"

As I said before the UAE government is a very stable government were protesters arent shot at, Osama sent King Fahd of Saudi Arabia a letter stating that he is willing to fight Saddam and libirate Kuwait, but he was turned down and was more angry because US soldiers stayed in Saudi Arabia.

"So now its about keeping score. Whoever kills less innocent people is the one who is in the right. Sorry, I'm not buying into that thinking."

No its not about KEEPING THE SCORE, what is this? A game where whoever kills the most wins? Face it your government slained 4 million asians during 1963-1975 Bin Laden killed 4 thousand to the max, but since the mass media likes to play with people's mind, everyone thinks that the 4000 slained is much greater than the 4 million, I as every sane man, wants these massacres to stop, but not with the American Policies currently in place.

"The US is not staying in Iraq.",

Well heres something funny lets see in Bosnia 10 years after the war, and US anounces a permenant base in Bosnia, oh the Americans will stay in Iraq, thats if they control the Insurgents.

"I guess its how you defend it. You think people like Sadr are helping things get better. I don't."

Sadr just didnt want the Americans in Najjaf, its a holy city for the Shiaas, when Sistani came to Najjaf, Sadr agreed to disarm his Mehdi Army.

"Well if the Koran says it why can't you all get together and face us. We'll take that any day of the week. We'd knock you out and then make Israel a little bigger than it is now."

What are you kidding me? A scholar manage to devastate the US army, and the Soldiers vowed no negotiations and destroy Sadr for the Last time, it seems now AL Sadr is gonna be in the Iraqi government. Can you Americans attack the entire muslim world? No if Iraq is hell, then what do you call attacking Morrocco to Pakistan to Indonesia? Think about it...

Megadeth · 09-01-2004, 07:33 PM

Muslims are holding 200 children hostage and your asking me to justify the action of the United States? The US doesn't raid schools in Saudi Arabia and say "do this or else".

I think a huge palace built on the blood of Muslims by Muslims is an easier target to miss than a small school where you're terrorist friends hide out in.

The war against Afghanistan seems like a "supreme" victory against the "evil doesrs". When you talk about President of Afghanistan, remember it's mayor of Kabul, because thats how far his authority streches, only in Kabul, the rest are ruled by warlords. the Convoy Of Death in which 3000 afghani prisoners were brutaly murdered by the Northen Alliance as well as US soldiers were with them is another example of brutality and human right violation, then why should the US butt into people problem in human violation? The UAE government is an innocent one.

I agree. We should have went into Afhhanistan and taken gotten control of the county till some sane people could be put into power. That's where I disagree with Bush. We never should have gone into Iraq. We should have finished the job in Afghanistan first. Taken down the murderer Bin Laden, your hero and set up a stable government to give back to the people.

As I said before the UAE government is a very stable government were protesters arent shot at, Osama sent King Fahd of Saudi Arabia a letter stating that he is willing to fight Saddam and libirate Kuwait, but he was turned down and was more angry because US soldiers stayed in Saudi Arabia.

A letter to Fahd, but a bomb to everyone else. We all know Bin Laden works with who he needs to work with to get what he wants. That's why he worked with the US against Russia. A necessary evil. The bin laden motto "necessary evil because evil is necessary".

"So now its about keeping score. Whoever kills less innocent people is the one who is in the right. Sorry, I'm not buying into that thinking."

No its not about KEEPING THE SCORE, what is this? A game where whoever kills the most wins? Face it your government slained 4 million asians during 1963-1975 Bin Laden killed 4 thousand to the max, but since the mass media likes to play with people's mind, everyone thinks that the 4000 slained is much greater than the 4 million, I as every sane man, wants these massacres to stop, but not with the American Policies currently in place.

It's not about numbers, but you keep stating is numbers? Where are these figures coming from? You state over a decade in years and give this grand number of 4 million (again keeping score). You backed my argument up even more. You keep saying "yeah well you killed more so its not big deal that I support terrorism"

Is that the new Islamic motto "hey two wrongs do make a right"!

Bosnia...what a great place that was before. We never should have stopped all those Muslims from being slaughtered. Where was your Osama then? Out looking for himself again I guess. To bad Allah didn't tell him to go there and help out huh?

"I guess its how you defend it. You think people like Sadr are helping things get better. I don't."

Right. Now he's running for office. From a killer to a politician. Now theres one thing that does cross all lines; politicians.

"Well if the Koran says it why can't you all get together and face us. We'll take that any day of the week. We'd knock you out and then make Israel a little bigger than it is now."

What are you kidding me? A scholar manage to devastate the US army, and the Soldiers vowed no negotiations and destroy Sadr for the Last time, it seems now AL Sadr is gonna be in the Iraqi government. Can you Americans attack the entire muslim world? No if Iraq is hell, then what do you call attacking Morrocco to Pakistan to Indonesia? Think about it...

Ok I thougt about it. If we acted more like the animals your terrorist friends are we wouldn't give two cents about leveling your mosque and your cities. You act as if we don't have that kind of power. We have nuclear missles that would would erase you from the earth. You've never even tasted our full power. You've only tasted a small piece. We took the 4rth largest army in the world, a muslim one, and rolled right through it without even using our most powerful weapon. I'm sorry you're a terrorist supporter.

I hope my kids never put a bomb on your familys bus. Wish you felt the same way. I guess that's the difference between you and me though. Hey maybe another time and place we could have been friends.

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