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11-12-2006, 05:04 AM
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Quote:But my original point was that Deen seems to think that all non-muslims are rapists. I don't know anyone at all who has ever been raped, or even slightly sexually assaulted, or carried out any such act
You know, this may have nothing to do with the topic at all, but a friend of mine once conducted a non-scientific field study. He went around and asked many of the women he knew whether they had ever been sexually assaulted or molested in some way. Not one said "No."
Now, this isn't the sort of conversation people normally have in public, and as I said his "study" was hardly scientific. It does, however, suggest that a huge number of women -- far more than most of us would ever think -- face sexual abuse during their lives. I find that really disturbing. What's more disturbing is that they're people we know and see every day.
I have no idea what these numbers would look like in Muslim countries, as I've never lived in one. Perhaps routine separation of genders does reduce the number of cases of sexual abuse. Then again, I hear enough horrendous stories coming out of the Muslim world (even about things like "Eve-teasing," which targets women the perpetrator doesn't even know) that I'm not so sure...
p.s. -- Chemical castration is reversible? I didn't know that. How does that work? :unsure:
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You know, this may have nothing to do with the topic at all, but a friend of mine once conducted a non-scientific field study. He went around and asked many of the women he knew whether they had ever been sexually assaulted or molested in some way. Not one said "No."
Now, this isn't the sort of conversation people normally have in public, and as I said his "study" was hardly scientific. It does, however, suggest that a huge number of women -- far more than most of us would ever think -- face sexual abuse during their lives. I find that really disturbing. What's more disturbing is that they're people we know and see every day.
That depends entirely on the questions he asked, and definition of 'sexual abuse'. Did he count sexual harresment in that? I've met women that would someone merely holding the door open for them (Womens lib has been nothing but a minefield for men. Hold the door open for one woman, and your a sexist pig. Don't hold it open for the next in and your rude. Its like jumping through hoops, but black hoops in a pitch black room)
What group did ask? If he goes to uni and asked amongst his fellow students, then theres a good chance they go out drinking together. Getting your bum touched up in bar is 'sexual abuse' but doesn't come close to rape. Does having man shouting 'bitch' in the street count as abuse?
Like you said, his jury rigged survey is non-scientific, and sometimes they can be very misleading.
Quote:I have no idea what these numbers would look like in Muslim countries, as I've never lived in one. Perhaps routine separation of genders does reduce the number of cases of sexual abuse.
About the only instances where I would grant that the muslim dresscode has an effect would be in sexual contact. I doubt many muslim women have their bum pinched at work.
Quote: Then again, I hear enough horrendous stories coming out of the Muslim world (even about things like "Eve-teasing," which targets women the perpetrator doesn't even know) that I'm not so sure...
p.s. -- Chemical castration is reversible? I didn't know that. How does that work? :unsure:
I think the current methodology is a monthly injection, which lowers testosterone and therefore sexual urges. One system I did see mentioned was use of slow release 'sticks', similar to those used in a new version of the pill. Half a dozen small sticks are inserted into the arm, and the chemical is slowly released without the need for constant injections
Re-offending rates are quite high, but among those who are chemically castrated it drops to 5%. What I know about it comes from an article in Focus magazine a couple of years back, so the figures maybe out.
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11-13-2006, 04:38 PM
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Bismillah
Back in high school over half the girls I knew had been raped. Not scientific either but it made me very sad and sick to my stomach that some men are so base and evil.
"I think the current methodology is a monthly injection, which lowers testosterone and therefore sexual urges."
Was not saying it before, but to me this does show evidence that rape is not JUST a violent act. It is a VIOLENT sexual act. I think that trying to classify it as either solely violent or solely sexual inhibits our ability to understand this crime and Insha'Allah prevent it. I liken it to the different types of theft. There are those who steal and try to make sure no one sees them. Then there are those who steal by sticking a gun in a person's face, making the crime more evil. There are people who beat others. Then there are people who add the sexual element to their beating, making the crime all the more evil.
I think that they should just be killed. Like a dead branch on a tree, trim is so others can grow. If we allow too many dead limbs, it affects the health of the tree. And in this anology what caused the death of the branch spreads to others. Those who perpetrate on others usually have themselves been prepetrated on by another. Subhannallah, a contagious evil!
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Quote:How many girls did you know back in high school ?
does it really matter? dont you know that every two and a half minutes, somewhere in America, someone is sexually assaulted. Rainn
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11-14-2006, 03:26 PM
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Did you need an exact tally?
You're so cute in your condescension. Since you just cannot pass without making a comment, I will give you some attention that you desperately seem to need. Really the only time that there is quiet from you is if the mod team has given you some "assistance." It is quite amusing how you treat people like not only do you know better than everyone but that you are in some lofty moral high ground. I can't think of one time since you have been here that you accepted that you were wrong on a point. Please show me I am wrong because it is sad to see someone that arrogant.
Once again, why even come here? Do you avoid an honest to the point answer because you don't really know? Or is your life so boring that you must post snide remarks on an Islamic board? Did all the other boards get tired of your attitude and kick you off? You say you have a family. Why don't you spend time with them instead of hiding on this board constantly? I mean, is it not odd that on an Islamic board your nonmuslim self is one of the top posters? Does no one else pay you attention so you come here to seek it out with antagonizing rhetoric?
Well, if you have no where else to go... then go ahead, dear. Get it all off your chest. Cheaper than a shrink...
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Man that was a quick reply! That backs up part of it.
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Having been female and grow up in usa I know for a fact that a large majority of girls crying rape are not actually rape victims at all, and its not uncommon to find that a once willing partner on a date cries rape to 'save face' or to try and compensate her guilt. Of course most people who are truly raped dont like to advertise such a thing, so when I see young women volunteering such information very freely (even many claiming more than once to have been raped) I have to take it with a grain of salt. Not everything is so black and white.
Im not by any means saying there is not a problem in america or in any country (I hear a lot of weird incest stroies from saudi too) Im saying only things are often exageratted. Especially among experimenting high school kids.
Its just an effect from the type of societies we live in.
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Arclight wrote: But my original point was that Deen seems to think that all non-muslims are rapists.
I didn't say such a thing! But then again, looking at the stats one would think so...
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Quote:Arclight wrote: But my original point was that Deen seems to think that all non-muslims are rapists.
I didn't say such a thing! But then again, looking at the stats one would think so...
What stats would those be that you're looking at?
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11-15-2006, 06:45 AM
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Quote:What stats would those be that you're looking at?
Exactly the type of thing that Johndoe wouldve said, hehe.... Are you Cousins?
Back to the topic...
There are many ways u can find Stats that clearly proof that women are being raped in America and we are talking about every "so and so seconds as we speak" go and google it.
I can't be bothered to look it up...
Or go and Watch the Queen of TV, Oprah, she'll be one you'll believe. She gives stats and a bunch of guests too. Hopefully the type of Proof ur looking for.
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