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[Hadji]

Just because something contains inauthentic hadiths doesnt mean you disregard it. The same argument can be made about Buhkaris work.

Mustadrak Al Saheehain isn't completely disregarded, only the unauthentic hadeeths are. Are you claiming that there are hadeeths in Bukhari that are unauthentic? Can you prove an example of one that is unauthentic in the standards of Ahlul Sunnah wal Jama'a?

Shi'as and Sunnis even within themselves cannot agree on a single date for Ramadan or Eid al-Fitr. This isnt an issue of Shia vs Sunni. Pray in different mosques? Wahabbis pray in different mosques to Sufis who pray in different mosques than Salafis who pray in different mosques than barelvis who pray ...............etc etc. Iraqis pray in different mosques than Pakistanis who pray in different mosques than Malaysians.....................etc etc. People will go to the mosque they are most comfortable in. This may be due to many things language, nationality, race not just Shi'a or Sunni.

I've lived in Bahrain for eighteen years. I can safely say that the Shi'ites know when Ramadan and Eid are, but they always postpone by a day, for the sake of going against Ahlul Sunnah wal Jama'a.


They choose to perform the prayers a few minutes later on purpose as well. It is not a matter of where they are living or convenience. Two masjids can be right across the street, but the Shi'ites would always pray a few minutes after.


Iraqis sometimes do pray with Malaysian and Pakistanis do the same. It doesn't matter what their nationality is. There is nothing written in their country's law that prohibits them from praying in the masjid that is populated by other Muslims. There is no such thing as an "Iraqi" masjid.


Anyways, I don't get what you mean by Wahabis and Salafis praying in different masjids. Can you tell me how Wahabis and Salafis are different in aqeedah?


Also, you are right about Sufis and Barelvis. I believe that the verses apply to them as well. But, in my opinion, the verses apply to Shi'ites more than anyone. Unless of course, Allah (swt) wasn't aware that there would one day be a sect know as Al-Shee'a, wal iyathu billah...

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


First off, Ramadan Mubarak brothers, may Allah Allow us to benefit and enjoy this month ameen.


Karbala, actually as I understood from Hadji, im not putting words in his mouth, you are making a totally different comparison. For instance, if u give examples about different nationalilties using different Masjdes, u must be doing so in reference to those who live in non muslim countries. True, you go to a masjed and u feel it is dominated by certain nationalities. But for example here in Egypt, sufis do use the same masjeds we use, they might be leaning towards using masjds where AhulBayt are buried, but those are public masjeds, we can all use, provided the grave is totally isolated from praying area.


Thus, this is not the point Hadji is using at all, I guess you didnt cover it.


OO I meant to tell you also keeping quite on a point, that does not necessarily mean the misconception is cleared, but rather we are allowing us and you to catch up our breath rather than continuing the marathon of posts, if u know what I mean :) .


We still have a lot to discuss if u dont mind, i know u welcomed me, jazakum Allah khairan for this.


Will let u now to continue with Hadji till further notice.... :)

[Karbala]

Salam,


Congratulations to everyone on reaching the holy month. I wish you all good luck in your fasting and search for the night of power.


Salafi = Wahabbi, they just think they are different.


The point I was making is that segregation of masjids isnt necessarily a sectarian thing. There is nothing in Shi'ism to stop us from praying in Sunni Masjids. In fact I regularly (2-3 times a month) pray in a local sunni masjid, I have no problems with it.


The difference in Ramadan timings is a fiqhi issue, not necessarily a sectarian one. There are differences even within Shi'as and Sunnis. E.g Sayyed Fadlallahs followers are beginning Ramadan tomorrow, Sistani the day after. The same can be said for sunnis.


So Hadjis assertion that Shia's are deliberately trying to break Islam into factions is a bit far-fetched.


I believe there are many inauthentic hadiths in Bokhari. Inshallah ill get to that in another post.

Unless of course, Allah (swt) wasn't aware that there would one day be a sect know as Al-Shee'a

I dont see how you associate the word "Shi'a" in the Quran 6:159 to mean Shi'a Ithna Asharis of today? Why dont you apply the same logic to 15:10 or 37:83. You will see the interpretation is absurd.

[Hadji]

I dont see how you associate the word "Shi'a" in the Quran 6:159 to mean Shi'a Ithna Asharis of today? Why dont you apply the same logic to 15:10 or 37:83. You will see the interpretation is absurd.

الحجر (آية:10): ولقد ارسلنا من قبلك في شيع الاولين


الصافات (آية:83): وان من شيعته لابراهيم


These two verses cannot be compared to Al Shia Al Ithna Ashariya because the verses are talking about people in the past. Yet, 6:159 once again, really would fit the description of the Shi'ites.

The difference in Ramadan timings is a fiqhi issue, not necessarily a sectarian one. There are differences even within Shi'as and Sunnis. E.g Sayyed Fadlallahs followers are beginning Ramadan tomorrow, Sistani the day after.

Alright, I'll bite. Why does Sistani say that the Shi'ites should fast a day after?

Salafi = Wahabbi, they just think they are different.

Well, I will agree that Salafis are Wahabbis. Now, how are they different in aqeedah from the rest of Ahlul Sunnah wal Jama'a?

The point I was making is that segregation of masjids isnt necessarily a sectarian thing. There is nothing in Shi'ism to stop us from praying in Sunni Masjids.

Actually, according to Al Sistani, a Shi'ite shouldn't pray behind a Sunni. If a Shi'ite does that, then he should repeat his prayer by himself afterwards.


By the way, I'm not sure if I've asked this before but do you have a marji'i?

[Karbala]

:assalam:

Yet, 6:159 once again, really would fit the description of the Shi'ites.

Ok. So you think Shi'ites are splitting Islam. Apart from differences in fiqh is there any other reason you interpret this way?

Well, I will agree that Salafis are Wahabbis. Now, how are they different in aqeedah from the rest of Ahlul Sunnah wal Jama'a?

Anthropomorphism for one. There are quite a few Aqeeda issues with Wahabbis.

Actually, according to Al Sistani, a Shi'ite shouldn't pray behind a Sunni. If a Shi'ite does that, then he should repeat his prayer by himself afterwards.

If I followed Sistani this would be a problem for me.


Actually I follow Sayyid Ali Khamenei. Here are his Fatwas regarding praying behing Sunnis.


Q 595: Is it permissible to perform one’s prayer behind a Sunnī imam?


A: It is permissible to perform one’s prayer in congregation behind them for the sake of maintaining Muslim’s unity.


Q 596: I work in an area which is predominately Kurdish. Most Friday and congregational prayer leaders in this area are Sunnī. What is the rule with respect to performing prayers in congregation behind them? Is one permitted to backbite?


A: There is no problem in attending the prayer with them in their Friday and congregational prayer to maintain the unity. As far as backbiting is concerned, one should refrain from it.


Q 597: I associate with Sunnī people and perform the daily prayers with them. On certain occasions I practice according to them, e.g. cross my hand, not observing times of praying and do prostration on carpet.


A: If maintaining the Muslims’ unity demands of you to perform the prayer in that manner including prostration on a carpet and the like, then it is correct and valid. But it is not permissible to cross one’s hands during prayer unless a necessity requires such an action.


Q 598: In Mecca and Medina, we perform prayers in congregation with the Sunnī brethren relying on the verdict of Imam Khomeini (q.). On certain occasions to acquire the reward of performing prayer in a masjid, we perform our afternoon and ‘ishā’ prayers after noon and maghrib prayer in Sunnī masjids while doing prostration on the prayer mats. What is the ruling for such a prayer?


A: In the given case, one should prostrate on a thing on which it is correct to prostrate unless it contradicts the duty of dissimulation.


Q 599: Can we the Shī‘ahs attend the Sunnī’s congregational prayer in other countries when they perform their prayers with their hands crossed? Would it be necessary for us to follow them in keeping our hands crossed or should we perform our prayers with our hands released?


A: It is permissible to perform one’s prayers with Sunnīs when it is required for maintaining Muslim unity and it will be considered correct and valid but it is not obligatory to cross one’s hands, rather it is not permitted unless a necessary requires it.


Q 600: While praying in Sunnī congregational prayer every participant places his little toes close to those of the next persons, they consider it necessary to do so. What is its ruling?


A: This is not obligatory. It does not invalidate one’s prayer either.


Q 601: The Sunnī brethren do their maghrib prayer prior to maghrib adhān. Is it correct during the occasion of Hajj or on other occasions to perform our prayer with them and consider that prayer sufficient?


A: It is not certain whether they actually do their prayer prior to its time. However, if the person is not certain that it is time for prayer then it is not correct for them to join it. However, if they intend to maintain Muslims’ unity, then they would be permitted to join in the prayer at that time and the prayer would be sufficient and there is no problem in it.

[Hadji]

Anthropomorphism for one. There are quite a few Aqeeda issues with Wahabbis.

Uh-oh... This should be fun. Looks like I'm a "wahabi" then. Anyways, can you name a few scholars whom you consider to be Sunnis? I might also be pushing it, but can you bring some of their quotes on anthropomorphism?

Ok. So you think Shi'ites are splitting Islam. Apart from differences in fiqh is there any other reason you interpret this way?

Well, for one, Shi'ites don't believe in anthropomorphism. They also try to split apart the so-called Wahabis, the Salafis, and whatever is left of Ahlul Sunnah wa Jama'a by condemning the former two.


Of course, there is the issue of Imamah. Don't you think that this is a big issue?


After Abu Bakr (raa) became the Caliph. There are Shi'ite narrations that say that Ali (raa) didn't accept this, but after a while swore allegiance to Abu Bakr (raa). I think that Shi'ites today need to do the same. It took Ali (raa) under two years to do it (the length of the life of Abu Bakr (raa), so it shouldn't take the rest of the Shi'ite world 1400+ years.

If I followed Sistani this would be a problem for me.
Actually I follow Sayyid Ali Khamenei. Here are his Fatwas regarding praying behing Sunnis.

So, would you agree that the followers of Sistani are splitting Islam instead of creating unity?

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


As salam alykom


Seems I will just make an intervention here, Karbala, most of the time when i pray in Ka`ba and note I say most of the time, Iranian women actually break the line by not joining us. They leave a space, dont start with us. Only this year, I observed even during Juma, not sure if the language barrier or others, they just made salat and left didnt wait for khutba. But most of the time they do break the line in order not to join us and most of the time they start after us. The worst part, is that quite a number of times for reasons unknown to me, they keep approching me either in Masjed Nabawi or Ka`ba and insist I join them in a special dua which I realised later, since they actually do insist, is calling an Imam after another, making dua for Ali Karram Allahu wajahu, ..etc. I m sure you are aware of this procedure. Karbala, I m sure u do believe my intention and quest. I really want to understand.


Leave alone this piece of rock they carry all around and wrap in a peace of cloth with Quran ayahs written all around, in many cases I had to tell them not to put this quran on the floor and then make sujud on it.


Now I know we did discuss Torbah before, as I understand this torbah, I m not discussing the sharia reasons behind it as u presented, but it has to be brought from Karbala, being called Torbah Husayniah makes it a condition to be obtained from there, am I not correct???

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


Well let me pop in again and try to give my humble understanding of this Anthropomorphism which Hadji may Allah Reward him explained this english term that I ve never heard before. BUt certainly I m aware of this issue.


This issue involved Allah's Names and Attributes.


Matter of fact, this is a serious issue Allah's Names and Attributes are there for us to benefit of, to live thru, to know who Allah Is, Who our Creator is.


BTW, it is human beings who are trying to adopt the manners inherint in those names and not visa versa. What does this mean??


In a hadeeth (forgive me I m tryping at 11.27 pm will not look for the exact text now), the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam say what means that Allah actually instilled on earth only 1% of His Mercy and Kept the 99% to Himself. Through this 1% the she doneky raises up her foot out of concern not to step on her child. Thus, we derived the mercy, all the mercy on earth from Allah. The All Pardon, we are supposed always to remember if Allah Is the All Pardon, thus we must think always to pardon. I know you must be saying OOO she does not even know what she is talking about. Hold on..


Come to things like Allah Descends to the lower sky during the last third of the night. Yes He Does, so long as He Said He Does then He does. How??? is the issue. We have no idea since Allah There is nothing like Him. But He does. The manner, methodology, is unknown to us. Exactly as when people asked Mussa salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam how did you hear Allah when He Spoke to you, Mussa salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam said with my whole body. The rules are not applicable with Allah. But so long as Allah Say in Quran "Thums istawa a`la Arsh" we must realise that He did. How? we have no idea. Isnt Arsh a human related item?? but Allah's A`rsh is certainly different. Again we have no idea what it is? how it is carried by angles??? how large it is?? how to angles circle around it? No idea. But we must believe it is there, because it is in Quran. Now Isnt it mentioned in Quran that "The Jews say: "Allah's Hand is tied up!" Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for what they uttered. Nay, both His Hands are widely outstretched"5:64. Does this mean that Allah Has hands like ours, no way.


But Allah Brings things in a language that we understand. Again, in terms of Allah's Names and Attributes, actually we adopt them, not the other way around. For example, Allah Is Al Qayoum. One Who assumes, in charge of, Takes over, Carries on... we do the same of course, but Allah is Al Qayoum of skies and earth. And that is different. we have no idea how Allah Runs and Manages Skies and earth. But Allah Does and because Allah Does He does not sleep not for a wink.


May Allah Accept, whatever is correct is from Allah and whatever is wrong is from myself and shaytan..

[Hadji]

Thanks for the post Sister, I hope that this has cleared up a misconception to Karbala that only "wahabis" believe in this. Yet, I'm still interested in knowing where Karbala gets his information from.

Anyways, can you name a few scholars whom you consider to be Sunnis? I might also be pushing it, but can you bring some of their quotes on anthropomorphism?

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


Karbala since u brought up this matter of anthropomorphism being against Ahul sunnah, can i understand what exactly do u have against this matter although I wouldnt even call it ascribing human qualities to Allah as I explained??