Jihad Fee Sabilillah

[Deen]

I implore to all muslims to discard their "revenge" mentality and reach out to the west for co-operation and peace.

I implore to all muslims to discard their "DEFEATIST" mentality....


Reach out to the West for co-operation and peace??? Try telling that to the muslims in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan etc. etc.


We can easily say that because we do not have F-16's dropping bombs on us.


What a heavenly life we live!!


The reason why the west is ahead is beacuse they refer to their aqeedah (creed) for all their solutions i.e. secularism.


The reason why the muslims are behind is because their thought has declined and refer other than that of the Islamic aqeedah for their solutions...simple as that really!

[Deen]

Assalaam,


I think there are some misconceptions here about what Jihad is due to the kufaar and their awliyahs trying to poison the minds...


After some research I have found the following which may clarify a few issues:


The linguistic definition of Jihad is Struggle/Strive as Jihad was used before Islam by the arabs and the quraish to mean struggle or strive.


BUT, when Islam was revealed to Muhammad (saw), Jihad was defined according the shariah definition i.e. how Allah SWT defined it according to the verses of the Quran. "Fighting and killing to remove the obstacles of making Allah's word the highest".


Allah SWT orders the muslims to abide and follow the shariah, so we have to use the shariah definitions and not the linguistic definitions.


<b>Letter from the Messenger of ALLAH (SAW) to the people of Najran (Narrated in Baihaqi):</b>


"In the name of the God of Ibrahim, Ishaaq, and Yaqoob, from Muhammad Messenger of Allah to Asqaf of Najran, and the people of Najran:


Peace be upon you...


I call you to the worship of Allah, away from the worship of the slaves of Allah. And I call you to the GOVERNORSHIP of Allah, away from the governorship of the slaves of Allah. If you refuse then Jizyah. If you refuse that, then I declare war upon you. Wassalam."


To say that Jihad is only in self defence is incorrect as histroy is proof of how Islam was spread so quick and vast.


To say that Jihad is not mentioned in the Quran to express a military meaning is also incorrect as the four Fuqaha' of the schools of thought agree that al-Jihad is al-Qitaal:


<b>Al-Hanafiyah:</b>


It has come in Fath al-Qadeer by Ibn Humaan 5/187: "Al-Jihad: calling the kuffar to the religion of haq and to fight them if they do not accept". Al-Kaasaani said in al-Badaa'i, 9/4299 "To sacrifice ones strength and energy in fighting in the way of Allah SWT with ones life, property and the tongue and whatever besides".


<b>Al-Maalikiyah:</b>


"For a muslim to fight against a disbeliever who is not under oath, to raise the word of Allah, or if the kufaar is in the muslim's presence (in order to attack him), or upon the kufaar's entering the muslim's land". (Haashiya al-'Adawi/as-Sa'eedi 2/2 and ash-Sharh as-Sagheer/Aqrab al-Masaalik by ad-Dardeer 2/267)


<b>Ash-Shaafi'yah:</b>


Al-Baajawari said, "Al-Jihad mean: Al-Qitaal in the way of Allah", Al-Baajawari/Ibnul-Qaasim 2/261. Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani said in Al-Fath 6/2, "...and legally Jihad means sacrifical striving in fighting the kufaar".


<b>Al-Hanbaliyah:</b>


"To fight the kufaar" see Mataalib Ulin-Nuha 2/497. "Al-Jihad is al-qitaal and the sacrifice all strength in it to raise the word of Allah", see 'Umdatul-Fiqh p.166 and Muntahal-Iraadaat 1/302.


The term Jihad-ul-Nafs is alien in Islam and is to distort the truth.


The saying "we have returned from the lesser jihad (battle) to the greater jihad", which people quote on the basis that it is a hadith, is in fact fabricated hadith which has no basis.


It is only the saying of Ibrahim bin Abi Ablah, one of the Successors, and it contradicts textual evidence and reality.


<b>Ibn Taymiyah</b> said in Al-Furqan PP.44-45 "This hadith has no source and nobody whomsoever in the field of Islamic knowledge has narrated it. Jihad against the kufaar is the most noble of actions and the most important action for the sake of mankind".


<b>Abu Ya'la Al-Khalili </b> says, "He often adulterates, is very weak and narrates unknown hadith". (Mashari-ul-Ashwaq, ibn Nuhas 1/31)


<b>Ibn Adi</b> states "His hadith are false". (Tahzeeb-ut-Tahzeeb 11/261-262)


<b>Ibn Hajar</b> said, "He was accused of forging hadith". (At-Taghrib).


<b>Adh-Dhahabi</b> said, "Abu Hatim said tha the is not a strong narrator. Ibn Ma'een classified him as weak and Ad-Daraqutni said that he is to be neglected".


I hope this little effort has helped.


Check the references given as these are not my words but the words of the scholars in the past.

[radiyah]

Alsalam 'alaykom


Jazzak Allah khayr brother Deen, your words are right , we were ordered to fight in the name of Allah to spread Islam and its high moralities among nations and to save other nations from injustice and oppression of corrupted regimes and dictatorship. When we muslims fight for a noble cause with very minor casualities between 2 sides then we are terrorists, but when british or americans fight in name of the decayed democracy idea killing thousands and millions along the way then they are the ones who are the good guys who are fighting for the noble cause. We have only ourselves to blame that such regimes are ruling and victorious all over the globe, because we are bad muslims, not preaching our relegion and we are ignorant of how great it is, may Allah help this ummah to raise from its ignorance and reunite under the word of Allah and to fight in the name of Allah without asking for worldly gains. Ameen


Wasalam

[Muslimah]

Jazakum Allah khairan katheeran Deen for this thorough explanation. Many refer to the hadeeth Shaunee brought here (which I heard it is only da`aeef) in order to tell Muslims no need to fight. Alhamdulelah, we have a long way to go.

[Muslimah]

as salam alykom


Brother Deen, I have just a comment here, if u look again at the letter, u will find that they were given options. And if u really re read the Ayah's of Qital, u will find never a command that we initiate.


And in this Ayah just as the Hanafi school explains, Jihad is comprehensive, part of it is Qital which is physical fighting.


I think Abunuran made a good post about this:


http://www.islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=1339


Also if u go back to the case of opening Egypt, actually the Egyptian Copts were the ones who called the Muslims come rescue them from Roman tyrany who wanted to force them change their sect into Roman catholism.


Egyptian Copts, knowing that Muslims dont force Islam on no one asked for recuse, that is when Omar Ibn Alkhattab sent Amr Ibn Alas to open Egypt.


Onanother situation that I dont recall now exactly the companion involved, he was instructed by the Messenger to wait at the borders for a certain period of time and offer options of negotiations and more. I will search for this one Insh a Allah


Allah' Say:


"March forth, whether you are light (being healthy, young and wealthy) or heavy (being ill, old and poor), strive hard with your wealth and your lives in the Cause of Allah. This is better for you, if you but knew." (Quran 9:41)


Let us look again on these points lest we make hasty comments out of enthusiam.

[Deen]

Thanks for the link which I have read (Abu Nuran's message).


The various types of jihad contradict the verses of quran as mentioned above.


I would like to see the evidences i.e. verses of quran which say there is such a thing as jihad-ul-nafs or jihad against shaitaan etc.


We have to remember that the verses of quran which are all qata'i (definite) out weigh the hadith which are not mutawaatir i.e. doubtful. Therefore, it is not allowed to take the weaker hadith above the verses of quran. The muslim must leave the weaker/doubtful hadith and follow the quranic verses.


I personally do not take the opinions of the people the brother has quoted such as


Bin Baaz, as he was the one who gave a fatwa which legitamised the U.S presence in the gulf war in 1991.


As for the command of initiation, history is proof that Islam was spread where the muslims initiated the ghazwa. Take Spain for example, what was the reason for taking ships there? Were muslims under attack from the Spanish for them to go?The muslims actually burnt their own ships to show that they were there to stay.


Not to forget the initiation of the Battle of Bad'r where Muhammad (saw) ordered the muslims to go out and raid Quraish's caravans which lead to the battle.


Why did Rasool (saw) send out messengers to various parts of the Arabian Peninsula to accept the rule of Islam, jizyah or else?

[radiyah]

I personally do not take the opinions of the people the brother has quoted such as
Bin Baaz, as he was the one who gave a fatwa which legitamised the U.S presence in the gulf war in 1991.

This was a right fatwa at that time brother Deen, because Saddam invaded Kuwait, he was killing and torturing all those who were opposing him, and women were raped by his men sorry to say this. and he was on his way to Saudi Arabia, so at that time it is legal to ask the aid of them against such a tyrant, because by the time u will wait for arab leaders to take a decision then it will be too late. Sorry that I do not agree with u this time, because u should know that scholars give their fatwas according to situatuions that are happening, or they might give 2 persons different fatwas according to their situation, and that what the prophet used to do and his sahabas, and also the early scholars like Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, and others. I think u should recall some of such occasions. So please brother do not be so overwhelmed in your anxiety and, Bin Baz is a very respected scholar, he feared Allah a lot and he would not give a fatwa which is against muslims welfare. Let us not be hasty in our actions and accusations against Ula'ama, and Allah knows best.


Wasalam

[Megadeth]

Sorry Ridyah and Muslimah. I forgot about this post.


You try to say your answering the same questions over and over. The fact is you aren't answering anything. You divert, dodge, or just avoid most questions all together. I ask about a Jihad and you ask me what my screen name was 2 months ago.


When I ask why I don't see people marching in the streets upset at terrorist for killing 30 Muslim children you tell me something the US government did to the Indians or, like some of your fellow Muslims, about things happening in Sudan. That all comes after I'm told the media is lying and the US really killed the children anyway.


And so I used a different screen name a few times till I found one I liked? This was a diversion to a question. You admited that yourself Ridyah! It was a great way to avoid the question, but not a great response that was asked.


Thanks for showing the past post's though. You never mention that I've stuck with Megadeth since I've first used it. Nice way of telling half the story and twisting the truth.


I never denied using a different screen name in the past and I told you why I did it. This is more of a complete answer than either of you've managed about anything as of yet.

What do you call it when Saddam Hussein kills his own people with chemical weapons?
    - A crime against humanity. But not worthy of a Jihad?



What do you call it when the FBI uses chemical weapons to murder 96 US citizens (including women and children) in Waco, Texas?


    - Law and order. When did I call what happend at Waco law and order? You keep saying "don't accuse every Muslim of this or that" when someone beheads someone or blows a bus up, but you are so ready to assume that every American supported the government and what they did at Waco. I watched a documentary this past weekend that showed government employees lied. They did handle that situation wrong. But thanks for assuming you knew how I felt.



Which Middle East country (whose name begins with I) does not possess nuclear weapons, has agreed to allow access to UN weapons inspectors, and is threatened with a military attack?


    - Iraq.  Think of all the wonderful things he could have done for Islam and the middle east.



Which Middle East country (whose name begins with I) possesses nuclear weapons, refuses to allow access to International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors and receives around $5 billion p.a. in aid from the US?


    - Israel.

Your right! And I think its wrong! What are you trying to prove to me? I agree with you on this. I agree its wrong! What are you trying to sell me on? Are you trying to argue with me even though I agree with you
?
The difference between you and I is that you've relegated yourself to beleiving everything that a Muslim country or people do makes them in the right because they're Muslim.


I on the other hand am willing to disagree with my government and will admit when I think they're wrong. My government isn't always right, but they're not always wrong either. You're the only perfect ones around here.


Again as for my name and postings, you do what you want with my post. Edit it to fit your version of a story or your version of free speech.

[radiyah]

ou try to say your answering the same questions over and over. The fact is you aren't answering anything. You divert, dodge, or just avoid most questions all together.

I am not diverting or avoiding, I answered your questions, but it seems u did not like the truth so that is why u r attacking.

Your right! And I think its wrong! What are you trying to prove to me? I agree with you on this. I agree its wrong! What are you trying to sell me on? Are you trying to argue with me even though I agree with you?

no I am not arguing with u u r asking questions and i answered, u r attacking muslims, and u do not like us attacking your leaders, if u agree with me fine i told u i have no problem, did u ever c me defending our leaders.

The difference between you and I is that you've relegated yourself to beleiving everything that a Muslim country or people do makes them in the right because they're Muslim.
I on the other hand am willing to disagree with my government and will admit when I think they're wrong. My government isn't always right, but they're not always wrong either. You're the only perfect ones around here.

Did I say that ? are all muslims good muslims, the problem with u do not want to diffrenciate between true islam and what r muslims r today, and that is why i offered u to forget about politics and learn about true Islam.


About children dying in Iraq can any1 do anything about it, no1 usa is bombarding claiming alzarqawi is there admiting that they are killing civilians on the way, can any arab country say anything and tell USA u r wrong, no because Bush said once it is either u r with us or against us, and what do we have, do we have leaders that fear Allah no they fear human beings, and they are looking for worldly gains, I never defended any of our leaders and I never said they r 100% right. Why are we what we are now becasue we are not true muslims we are not obeying Allah's orders that is why we are in the state we are in.


And as I said before it is Islam who is always to blame, and Islam has nothing to do with what our leaders preach or do, I hope this will satisfy u as an answer if not, then it means u do not wish to know. I think my answers were clear, I was not diverting I put facts with proof from americans like u, what did u give me ?


Peace

[Muslimah]

as salam alykom Deen


may be u missed part of my previous post, I fully agree with u on the hadeeth of Jiahu nafs being the higher jihad, that I heard it is da`eef. However, again forget about Abunuran's post, read the Ayahs of Qital and the one Ayah I posted about Jihad, in which Allah Puts first Jihad with money then with our souls.


Radiyah, sorry I dont agree that US was the solution to protect MUSLIM land, yes Saddam was doing all that. But Muslims should have faced it themselves.


Any way this could really get off topic and toooo political.


As far as Islam how did it spread:


http://www.islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=1919&hl=


Look at Lifutushi's post here