Word to the wise

[naseeha]

Welcome arclight..


and jazaakallah khair for that post Faris Mee

[arclight]

I mean like Pharoa for instance, he said I m your supreme rub (Lord) but never Allah.

So how closely related is Urdu (it is Urdu isn't it?) to ancient Egyptian?

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


salam Arclight


Urdu has nothing to do with ancient Egyptian language which is hieroglyphic where symbols like birds and snakes are used for letters. Whereas Urdu to the best of my knowledge, is the language used by Indian race (pakistan and India) and is a mix between Arabic and Farsi (persian0. The letters used in Urdu are the Arabic alphabet.


That is all what i know I hope i helped.

[arclight]

I was refering to the spoken language, not written : :)


When you said "I mean like Pharoa for instance, he said I m your supreme rub (Lord) but never Allah.", I took that it might mean that Allah was a word used in ancient Egypt.

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:

Similar question on language, is Allah a word or a name?


For example, in English God is used for the Almighty, but its also word a to describe any religous diety, such as the Roman and other pagan gods.


So is Allah specifically a name, if so what term would you use for pagan gods?

i just wanted to mention the importance of using the term Allah instead of the English word God.


we Muslims prefer calling the Supreme Creator, Allah, instead of by the English word ‘God’. The Arabic word, ‘Allah’, is pure and unique, unlike the English word ‘God’, which can be played around with.


for example, If you add ‘s’ to the word God, it becomes ‘Gods’, that is the plural of God. Allah is one and singular, there is no plural of Allah. If you add ‘dess’ to the word God, it becomes ‘Goddess’ that is a female God. There is nothing like male Allah or female Allah. Allah has no gender. If you add the word ‘father’ to ‘God’ it becomes ‘God-father’. God-father means someone who is a guardian. There is no word like ‘Allah-father’. If you add the word ‘mother’ to ‘God’, it becomes ‘God-mother’. There is nothing like ‘Allah-mother’ in Islam. Allah is a unique word. If you prefix tin before the word God, it becomes tin-God i.e., fake God. Allah is a unique word, which does not conjure up any mental picture nor can it be played around with. Therefore the Muslims prefer using the Arabic word ‘Allah’ for the Almighty. Sometimes, however, while speaking to the non-Muslims we may have to use the inappropriate word God, for Allah. since they might have no idea about the term Allah.


hope this gives you more information about the term Allah.


Salam


Wael

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Jazakum Allah khairan katheeran wael for this elaboration, it was really very useful

[arclight]

Bismillah:


i just wanted to mention the importance of using the term Allah instead of the English word God.


we Muslims prefer calling the Supreme Creator, Allah, instead of by the English word ‘God’. The Arabic word, ‘Allah’, is pure and unique, unlike the English word ‘God’, which can be played around with.

Well I guess it is just a matter of intention. When I use the word God, you know and I know I refer to the Almighty. As there is only one true God, when I use that word logically I can only be refering to the almighty. The only time it becomes an issue is in a matter of history, when discussing pagan god's. It's also worth pointing out that when refering to the Almighty, it should be written with a capital 'G', as you would when writing someones name, and when discussing say Zeus, it would be lower case.


Almighty = God


Zeus = greek god

for example, If you add ‘s’ to the word God, it becomes ‘Gods’, that is the plural of God. Allah is one and singular, there is no plural of Allah. If you add ‘dess’ to the word God, it becomes ‘Goddess’ that is a female God. There is nothing like male Allah or female Allah. Allah has no gender. If you add the word ‘father’ to ‘God’ it becomes ‘God-father’. God-father means someone who is a guardian. There is no word like ‘Allah-father’. If you add the word ‘mother’ to ‘God’, it becomes ‘God-mother’.

This is actually just the way the english language works. A God-father is in fact someone who has taken an oath, and accepted responsibilty, at a childs baptism, to bring the child of another up in the ways of the Lord. For example, I'm the Godfather to my sisters two children.


Had there actually been a seperate word for God in the English language, then in all probability it would still have had the word 'father' appended to it. That doesn't show a lack of respect, its just the way the english language works.

Allah is a unique word. If you prefix tin before the word God, it becomes tin-God i.e., fake God. Allah is a unique word, which does not conjure up any mental picture nor can it be played around with. Therefore the Muslims prefer using the Arabic word ‘Allah’ for the Almighty. Sometimes, however, while speaking to the non-Muslims we may have to use the inappropriate word God, for Allah. since they might have no idea about the term Allah.

I think its safe to say that in most countries everyone knows what Allah means. To be honest, I would be more comfortable with a muslim using the word Allah anyway. I wouldn't want anyone compromise their belief just for the sake making it easier on my ears.

hope this gives you more information about the term Allah.
Salam


Wael

Sure does. TY :)

[Faris_Mee]

Well I guess it is just a matter of intention. When I use the word God, you know and I know I refer to the Almighty. As there is only one true God, when I use that word logically I can only be refering to the almighty. The only time it becomes an issue is in a matter of history, when discussing pagan god's. It's also worth pointing out that when refering to the Almighty, it should be written with a capital 'G', as you would when writing someones name, and when discussing say Zeus, it would be lower case.

I agree that using upper case "G" as in God is a form of respect and to mark the difference or level of importance/respect you have offered zeus as with a small 'z'.


This leads us to a glaring sign of disrespect from the xians towards God. Now that they have a new God, being Jesus, they have down-graded God in the bible and refer to Him as "him" to signify their lack of respect.

[arclight]

I agree that using upper case "G" as in God is a form of respect and to mark the difference or level of importance/respect you have offered zeus as with a small 'z'.

I used the large 'Z' not as a sign of respect to a pagan god, but purely because it's a name.

This leads us to a glaring sign of disrespect from the xians towards God. Now that they have a new God, being Jesus, they have down-graded God in the bible and refer to Him as "him" to signify their lack of respect.

First off, christians do not have a new god, there is only one God, and He has not been downgraded. Jesus is accorded the same respect by christians as Mohammed by muslims. It may seem different from the outside, but it isn't. Two thousand years ago there was no TV,radio or internet. God/Allah chose to give His word to the world through two means, Mohammed and Jesus, so that His word might spread throughout the world.


I have yet to see a Bible where God is referred to in the lower case (Him, His, He, God).If you have seen it anywhere, it is mostly likely a typo, or just poor literacy. With the way kids are learning txt spk these days its a wonder that any of them manage to string a coherent sentence together, let alone deal with the complexities of punctuation and how to use lower and uppercase letters (I actually was a science exam paper the other day where one kid had spelt 'Oxegen', among other glaring spelling mistakes, and he was supposed to be one of the brighter students :blink: )


And what is a xian?

[Faris_Mee]

First off, christians do not have a new god, there is only one God, and He has not been downgraded. Jesus is accorded the same respect by christians as Mohammed by muslims. It may seem different from the outside, but it isn't. Two thousand years ago there was no TV,radio or internet. God/Allah chose to give His word to the world through two means, Mohammed and Jesus, so that His word might spread throughout the world.

That's an unusual response. Rare and good. Sound's like there is some light in your heart. The christians and the bible both say Jesus is the son of God, one of three. Father, son and holy ghost. And when pressed both the bible and christians say he is God.

I have yet to see a Bible where God is referred to in the lower case (Him, His, He, God).If you have seen it anywhere, it is mostly likely a typo, or just poor literacy.

Here is the <b>KJV</b> and the <b>NAB</b>


KJV


Luke 1:50 And his mercy [is] on them that fear him from generation to generation.


Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.


NAB


Luke 1:50 His mercy is from age to age to those who fear him.


Luke 12:5 I shall show you whom to fear. Be afraid of the one who after killing has the power to cast into Gehenna; yes, I tell you, be afraid of that one.

And what is a xian?

Netspeak for christian B)