Questions for Christians members II

[Muslimah]

Bismillah

Wael,


Did Satan not influence at least some of what he wrote?

salam Curious, I think you inquired about this particular point and i referred u to a whole thread dedicated to it. Thus, if u still use this point as an argument, it might be either that u didnt understand the explanation, or u ignore it just to argue..


Pls verify. :scratch:

[Curious Christian]

What kind of moral do we learn from those stories? I know that the Bible do not allowed these things. But I need to know is what is the moral?? If there is any.


Why? There are many prophets and men who are <b>PREFECT and BLAMELESS </b> in the Bible. So why they need Christ? And they need him for what? To forgive their sins? What sins? <b>They were PERFECT</b>.

They were only blameness in that they kept God's law prescribed in the OT and performed necessary sacrifices to atone for their sins.


Since the birth, death and resurrection of Christ nobody is perfect without Christ.

[Curious Christian]

Bismillah:


Yeah I didn’t deny that he committed sins, but as I explained earlier, he did not intend to displease God or disobey Him. That’s why he was forgiven.


And by the way, doesn’t God of the OT punishes to death those who betray Him, while Jesus calls them "friends”?? Don’t you consider this as horrible sin?


Salam


Wael.

You clearly don't understand the difference between the OT and NT. Jesus fullfilled the law. Jesus himself said he did not come to heal the righteous but it was the sick that needed healing. "I must decrease, He must increase."

[Curious Christian]

Bismillah


salam Curious, I think you inquired about this particular point and i referred u to a whole thread dedicated to it. Thus, if u still use this point as an argument, it might be either that u didnt understand the explanation, or u ignore it just to argue..


Pls verify. :scratch:

I didn't ignore the whole thread dedicated to it. I respectfully don't accept the explanation provided. Bottom line is that Satan <i>did</i> influence Mohammed. And, because I don't believe Islam I do say that Mohammed wrote the Qur'an and not God. Jesus on the other hand crushed Satan. Jesus was tempted by Satan and said, "Away from me." and Satan heeded Jesus' command.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah:


Yeah I didn’t deny that he committed sins, but as I explained earlier, he did not intend to displease God or disobey Him. That’s why he was forgiven.


And by the way, doesn’t God of the OT punishes to death those who betray Him, while Jesus calls them "friends”?? Don’t you consider this as horrible sin?


Salam


Wael.

salam


http://islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showt...rophets+sinless


i just cannt believe that u guys have the patience to repeat yourselves.


This point was clearly covered.


Wael I m trying to save your breath :)


reepi re read your own posts and give some time and more effort to understand the replies on this same point u raised here.


lahawal wala qowata ila billah.


prayer and peace be upon our beloved Messenger and teacher who faced more than this. I mean he also used to repeat the same points on and on again. Alhamdulelah

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah;

salam


http://islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showt...rophets+sinless


i just cannt believe that u guys have the patience to repeat yourseleves.


This point was clearly covered.


Wael I m trying to save your breath :)


reepi re read your own posts and give some time and more effort to understand the replies on this same point u raised here


lahawal wala qowata ila billah


prayer and peace be upon our beloved Messenger and teacher who faced more than this. I mean he also used to repeat the same points on and on again. Alhamdulelah

we are for it sister. :hamdulila:


Salam


Wael

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


salam Curious,


Sobhan Allah, it is just that u dont want to accept it.


Well I still cannt judge and say what position u will take later on.

I didn't ignore the whole thread dedicated to it. I respectfully don't accept the explanation provided. Bottom line is that Satan <i>did</i> influence Mohammed. And, because I don't believe Islam I do say that Mohammed wrote the Qur'an and not God. Jesus on the other hand crushed Satan. Jesus was tempted by Satan and said, "Away from me." and Satan heeded Jesus' command.

[wel_mel_2]

They were only blameness in that they kept God's law prescribed in the OT and performed necessary sacrifices to atone for their sins.


Since the birth, death and resurrection of Christ nobody is perfect without Christ.

they were too PERFECT CC. i show you the verses.


Salam


Wael.

[wel_mel_2]

Bottom line is that Satan <i>did</i> influence Mohammed. And, because I don't believe Islam I do say that Mohammed wrote the Qur'an and not God. Jesus on the other hand crushed Satan. Jesus was tempted by Satan and said, "Away from me." and Satan heeded Jesus' command.

<b>The pagans used to say the same thing CC</b>...


they said: <b>"The devils bring Muhammad that Qur'an!" </b> But just as with every suggestion made, the Qur'an gives the answer. One verse (68: 51-52) in particular states:


"And they say, <b>'Surely he is possessed [by jinn],' but it [i.e., the Qur'an] is not except a reminder to the worlds."</b>


Thus it gives an argument in reply to such a theory. In fact, there are many arguments in the Qur'an in reply to the suggestion that devils brought Muhammad pbuh his message. For example, in the 26th chapter Allah clearly affirms:


<b>"No evil ones have brought it [i.e., this revelation] down</b>. It would neither be fitting for them, nor would they be able. Indeed they have been removed far from hearing." (26:210-212)


And in another place (16:98) in the Qur'an, Allah instructs us:


"So when you recite the Qur'an <b>seek refuge in Allah from Satan
, the rejected."</b>


Now is this how Satan writes a book? He tells one, <b>"Before you read my book, ask God to save you from me?" </b> This is very, very tricky.


Salam


Wael.