Judge Orders Release of Abu Ghraib Child Rape Photos

[Muslimah]

Bismillah

We could do that on another thread, I don't want to hijack this one.

Sure, will happily give my input and let us understand. I will start the thread Insh aAllah.

[arclight]

Well done Deen, you've proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that all non-muslim males a rapists.


http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/arti...hp?storyid=1770


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...6/ixuknews.html


http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/arti...37&parent_id=17


The last one goes someway to hint that the fact that recorded rape cases are lower in muslim countries has nothing to do with a lower crime rate, and more to do with the fact women who are raped are afraid to come forward. 60 lashes for rape, but 90 for just being in a car with a man she's not married to? Sounds fair. :blink:

[Dan]

Bismillah


"60 lashes for rape, but 90 for just being in a car with a man she's not married to?"


I haven't even seen any proof from shariah for this... anyone?

[Deen]

Bismillah


I haven't even seen any proof from shariah for this... anyone?

That's the problem with non-muslim "scholars/historians of Islam" on this forum.

[Deen]

Some more ideas to get you through Friday and Saturday nights...


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[arclight]

That's the problem with non-muslim "scholars/historians of Islam" on this forum.

Non-muslim?


Thats a sentence handed out by a Saudi court. Unless you mean that you agree with that sentence, and that rape isn't as serious as being in a car with someone?

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom


i think when you wish to discuss something related to sharia, it is better to put on all aspects.


The rape victim on the last link arclight posted (saudi) is a married woman who was alone in a car with a man to whom she is not married. Now, in Sharia, this situation alone does not establish the crime of Zina. However, in my opinion, I think the judge passed his virdict of 90 lashes using the Ta`zeer rule. Ta`zeer is a rule by which a ruler is entitled to apply a penalty as he sees deemed fit.


Now in this case, she was penalized with a 90 lashes for being married and alone in a car with a man. It has nothing to do with comparing her crime with the severity with rape as a crime. Probably, she was also held accountable along with her male companion for being raped. I mean, in this particular case, she put herself in the situation. I m even surprised that her family are asking for an appeal in order to pass a harsher penalty. Arclight, re check the article, the criminals got a jail sentence coupled with a number of lashes which came to a 1000 in one of the criminals and the case is still opened. As such, the issue is not comparing between the two crimes, but rather handling each one of them separately.


See, arclight, Islamic sharia is not only there to penalize a criminal but rather to establish a soud and proper community. A married woman is not supposed, under any circumstances, to be with a strange man in a car. Just look at the reprecussions, she got physically assaulted, raped, scandilized of course, i m not really sure what is the position of her husband.


Thus, hope now things are more clear arclight, as u may see, each given case is really an individual. But at the end applying Sharia is there to remedy those societal diseases which are potential in any community.

[Deen]

US 'worst' for online child abuse


More than 50% of online images of child abuse reported to an internet watchdog can be traced to the US, a report says.


Investigations by the Internet Watch Foundation (IWF) found nearly 2,500 US sites containing illegal images.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5195460.stm


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This is a link to a video of a programme exposing a paedophile ring which US senators tried to ban. If this is the state of the elite then what are the masses who join in the army like?


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=33...62&q=conspiracy

[Khairan]

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"60 lashes for rape, but 90 for just being in a car with a man she's not married to?"


I haven't even seen any proof from shariah for this... anyone?

arclight is referring to one of the stories linked in his/her? post. However, none of the rapists was sentenced to sixty lashes. The least sentence was 80 lashes and prison time (which is still too little -- I think all rapists should be put to death).

[arclight]

arclight is referring to one of the stories linked in his/her? post.

* arclight checks


Definitely 'His' :)

However, none of the rapists was sentenced to sixty lashes. The least sentence was 80 lashes and prison time

The other source I saw for this story quoted it as 60 lashes for one of them [insert shrug smiley]

(which is still too little -- I think all rapists should be put to death).

No arguement from me on that although, given the number overturned convictions, chemical castration would be better. At least its something that can be put right.


But my original point was that Deen seems to think that all non-muslims are rapists. I don't know anyone at all who has ever been raped, or even slightly sexually assaulted, or carried out any such act