06-25-2004, 12:16 AM
Quote: Brother Ibn Kumuna, I didn't c u asking for condemnation on what Israel is doing, or what the Americans are doing.
What these terrorists are doing okay we agree it is not Islamic, it is barbaric, whatever u want to call it. But what about what the jews are doing or what the americans are doing, Iraqi women are raped daily by american soldiers, and they are pictured and put on video tape as well, in Israel palestinian girls are being raped, children are killed, there were 2 Iraqi scholar girls killed yesterday I guess, and before that a law deen at the Iraqi university and her husband they were both killed and beheaded. why dont u condemn that, I think that condemnation thing we will leave it to Allah the Almighty, he will punish them, and what we muslims should do is educate ourselves and raise a new generation that fears no1 but Allah, and then we will rule as prophet Muhammad(sws) ruled along with the Khulafa' Alrashedeen, only then there will be just in this world and only then there will really be human rights, I think the pictures abeer provided is enough.
wasalam 'alaykom wa rahmat Allah.
Asalaamu alaikum,
For starters, the pictures that abeer provided should not have been approved. I appreciate what he is trying to get across, but it would be much better if we had a link or some other sort of warning. If johndoe (or anyone else for that matter) so wishes, then it seems he is quite welcome to post pictures of the beheaded men as well. Then it goes on an on <i>ad infinitum</i>
Nobody is denying that atrocities have been committed on BOTH sides. Why can we as Muslims not condemn an action without having to resort to the "but they started it" argument?
Our intentions are always taken into account by Allah (SWT) but having good intentions does not make disobedience permissible. It if forbidden to murder a civilian. It is forbidden to kill for any other reason than for Allah's cause. We, as Muslims can say that, can we not? We cannot judge the other person but surely we can judge the action as impermissible?
There is a hadith which unfortunately I cannot find at the moment. One of the sahabas (may Allah be pleased with him) was about to kill a kafir during battle. He had his sword up ready to strike. At that very moment, the kafir spat on the sahaba's face. The sahaba then dropped his sword and simply walked away. The kafir ran to ask him why he did not kill him when the opportunity was there? He replied that when he was ready to kill, he was ready to kill for the sake of Allah. When the kafir spat on his face, he would have killed him out of anger.
THESE are the people we should be emulating!
-spider