06-16-2004, 10:41 AM
Spider Mash a Allah u did clarify points and why would any one mind any one jumping into a topic, we are all here to learn and help others learn. Arent we...?
<b>But I think the issue of heaven is settled for non Muslims Spider. am I not correct</b>.
Many Ayahs clearly states that only Muslims will make it, but also with Allah's mercy. May be u mean, we can not judge regarding Muslims, who might be destined for how long in hell before heaven, yes in this u r right??? But basically u must be a Muslim.
And Josh u dont need to thank us for being patient, it is our duty, plus you r doing us a favor by bringing points and allowing us to reply and invest our time in the name of Allah. So carry on
Ok I will add one point Josh, u r assuming that Jews and Christians worship the same God as Muslims do, originally it is supposed to be this, but do they????
I mean for example do Christians worship the same God? are u sure they do?? to the best of my knowledge, they worship God who materialised into Jesus who sacrificed himself (or his son) on the cross. They worship Jesus who is also involved into a trinity issue about which we will not debate now. I have a verse of the Bible that i can quote here, usually I am so reluctant to do so. I dont like to discuss this way. My duty is not to underline bible mistakes but rather help u and others to realize the Quran...
So to settle your confusion Joshua, Christians and Jews of today do not worship again DO NOT WORSHIP the ONE God we are supposed to worship...
So how does this place them?
As Spider said making it to heaven is Allah's domain, but He Clearly stated in Quran just as in the post of Radiyah that Allah accepts only Islam. Logical enough it is what Allah commanded for...
Again Joshua as Spider told u, if u believe the way u expressed your self, u only need to take the decision to declare this to Allah in full with the intention in your heart that u r becoming a Muslim. In other words, to make a decision to change back to where u belonged. To go back home... To revert to Allah.
Praying and all will come later Insh a Allah. By the Will of Allah we will help when u cross safely.
But the big step is to pronounce shahada if u feel really comfortable about it...
U only have to say:
Doing so will make u a Muslim and thus can not call your self a Christian who believe in Allah the One and His Messenger..
If u ready for this now just say so will Insh a Allah walk u thru....
Because pronouncing the Shahada will entail other issues such as taking a bath immediately after saying with the intention of purifiying yourself and moving from disbelief into belief and also there are other issues that I will have a brother talk to u about....
Just let us know your position..
I know u must be sleepless now, thinking too much, wanting to hear an answer that u r fine like this, since u believe the way u do, u dont need to be formally committed. U need to hear an answer that nothing separate u from a formal Muslim. May be because u know u will have to change the life style, stop drinking alcohl, dating, other stuff, u might be also concerned about family members or friends. But Josh, in the Day After nothing will benefit u, nobody will be allowed to take responsibilities on your behalf.
Am I not right?? but Josh, if u feel the way u expressed yourself, who else is Worthy to be committed to except your Lord the REAL One, WHo Created u, granted u all the bounties u r enjoying, including and primarily finding the truth...
But I dont like to sound pushy, if u really feel the way u expresseed. U need to settle your situation without wasting more time. Unless u r not ready..
<b>Because matter of fact, one of the conditions of taking Shahada is accepting it in heart then saying it with tongue.</b> Again Josh, all praise be to Allah Who helped u cross the most difficult part of the fence. Do not delay your Shahada simply because no one can guarantee to live for one more minute until even I finish typing these lines.
So just in case, what u need to say with your tongue is:
<b>Ash hadu ana la Ilaha ilaallah wahadahu la shareeka lahu wa anna Mohamadan a`abdohu warasoluh wa ansa Issa a`abdullah wa rasoluh
</b>
This translates as:
<b>I bear witness that their is no Deity but Allah with no partners or associates, Mohamed is his servant and Messenger and Issa is His servant and Messenger. </b>
Insh a Allah when u r done with this, u r formally a Muslim.....