05-29-2004, 05:50 PM
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Although I am not sure how this proves or denies Allah's Creation, however, let me just give u a point
Following are four of the numerous Names and Attributes of Allah, just ponder on them:
Al-'Awwal
The One whose Existence is without a beginning.
74. Al-'Akhir
The One whose Existence is without an end.
75. Az-Zahir 76. Al-Batin
The One that nothing is above Him and nothing is underneath Him, hence He exists without a place. He,
The Exalted, His Existence is obvious by proofs and He is clear from the delusions of attributes of bodies.
<b>And Khairan I fail to see a constant position of yours. Let me ask u a direct question.
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Do u belive in Allah, He is The Creator of the Worlds, Lord of the Worlds, Quran is Allah's revelation????? Or not???????????????????????????????
The first two quotes you mentioned are very interesting. Basically that God has no particular boundry, i.e. no beginning and no end. I ask, what is beginning and what is end? Can there be one without the other? I think one of the great mysteries that many human beings are unable to fathom is the limitations and the views of the known universe, seen through our own senses of the physical world. The basic logical fallacy we are faced with the infinite cause is causality. The argument that is put forth is that everything within the universe requires a cause, and therefore the Universe ,in itself, must have a cause, and that cause is God. Who then created god? Was there a still earlier god who created the god in question? We are thus led to an infinite regress - the very dilemma that the positing of a "god" was intended to solve. Now based on this logic we come back to the initial problem: does the universe need a cause to begin with? Now, we move on to the definition of existence: The fact or state of being. This definition, in turn, shows that existence is all that exists. Thus, therefore, we are bound to a logical fallacy when we make arguments that say such things as "Did God create the Universe?" and "What is outside the Universe." The question you have to ask youself is how could something begin if the physical conundrum of time and space are linked to each other? Can there actually be a beginning to something that was created outside the realm of reality? By the use of simple logic, the answer is no