05-13-2004, 05:15 AM
Quote:<i>Originally posted by Muslimah </i><b>and to tell u the truth, I some how lean towards what naseeha had to comment on that, how can u confirm that those were Muslims? for just saying Allah u Akbar. Just look at the timing. Bush and Rumsfeld became at a critical situation. The whole world looked so down at them. How many tapes were aired on Jazeerah for so called Bin Laden and it was not him.</b>Muslimah, the issue here is not just you. You've made it clear that you don't approve or endorse what is being done, and that is fine. I'm speaking to a societal problem, and to the implication that all Muslims need do is be responsible for themselves. I would accept this statement wholeheartedly were it not for the fact that the Muslim world so readily decries (rightfully so) the excesses of the West and of Israel against it. My point is that we -- as human beings -- should on some level all be concerned with the end of humanism. It should not matter if you are Muslim, the death of an Israeli child should disturb you. It shouldn't matter if you are American, you should be outraged when you see Iraqis abused and treated like animals.I often find Muslims to be too passive when dealing with the excesses within their own communities. America is the Great Satan, but the dictator who has oppressed your family for years is simply something you must endure silently? No, this smacks of scapegoating.
well I prefer not talk this way.
I said what I have to say, Quran does not contain an Ayah that endorses murder.
I will say though (and this is directed at phatmonky and JohnDoe) that it is unfair of Westerners to expect a coordinated response from the Muslim world. Muslim brotherhood is a fiction -- it is something that hasn't existed for nearly a millenium and a half. Muslims have been a divided people for almost all of Islam's history, to the point where different Muslim empires actually fought each other for land and influence. The dissolution of the Ottoman khilafat at the end of WWI was the last time there was even a symbol of Islamic unity present in the world. It is only in recent times, and through the interaction with the Occident as a colonizer, that Muslims have begun to believe that they should be one people. And Westerners, as they have done in so many other contexts, have racistly clumped together all Muslim groups because they could not understand the history and culture that divided them. We see a manifestation of this same problem in Iraq now, with the U.S. being utterly blind-sided by the ethnic rivalries that are occurring.
Anyway, that post was too long. The short deal is that we all need to look at ourselves long and hard and wonder how it came to this. And then we have to learn to address our own faults before we can demand that others address theirs.
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