Quote:Yes, you have and I will bite my tongue.
Thanku John.
Quote:Perhaps Allah will show me the way ?
Yes insha'Allah by will of Allah, I will pray for u.:)
Quote:But it boils down to this, you have to believe that the Quran was actually revealed to Mohammad. Something I just don't find credible. Regarding stoning, it is in the Old Testament also, a practice long ago abandoned by Christians and never adopted by other civilisations.
John great scientest reverted to Islam becasue they found proof in Quran that it is from Allah. There are so many verses in the Quran where the Prophet is being blamed for some acts he has done(I will put them later, it will need a bit of a longer post), if he wrote it would he blame himself for anything?? and then so many facts about space that the Quran mentioned are discovered now after long years of reasurch and sending spaceships and spending billions of dollars for discovering outer space, and all of that mentioned in the Quran, so again I tell u how can an iliterate man from arabia who never traveleed in space know all these facts. John read :
http://www.themodernreligion.com/verses_sci.htm some scientific facts and many links to other pages, I hope u will read.
And again the tafseer:
http://www.tafsir.com/Default.asp
Here again aya by aya verse by verse, and by will of Allah u will c the truth. And wait for me I will make some searching in space :D
to bring up lots of proof, by will of Allah(Insha'Allah).
And regarding the stoning john I think I explained that in another post , did u read that did u understand come on john:rolleyes:,
http://islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=1070&hl=
Quote:And here you get into the sects of Islam, you mention 2 who cannot agree on which version of stories are correct. Makes the whole thing suspect in my opinion.
Iran, is run by a panel of clerics (mullahs ?) who have final say on state affairs and are certainly handing out sharia law where they can. Only international pressure prevents them stoning people but poltical activists are regularly executed and in rural areas the savages still stone people, whether found guilty by sharia I don't know.
I'll check out your pictures later though.
I told u they changed the tafseer(translation of the Quran) their beleives are originaly found by a JEW, he wanted to revenge from muslims because the prophet threw them out of mekka and madina because they broke up so many promises and treaties with him and they wanted to kill him on the same day that he was supposed to sign a peace treaty with him, no one knew what they were planing but Allah the all seeing, so gabriel told him that they were going to kill him, and he excused them and pulled himself peacefully, and then he had to throw them out, they broke up treaties with Moses(pbuh) and with God, they will not with others look at them now and all the treaties they are breaking. Anyways, so back to the sheea, I explained a bit for u about them, I had a site explaining their beleivfs, :confused: can't find it, perhaps next time I will search for it and post it for u.
Quote:Well, I took a look at the pictures. Are these people insane ? What are they doing ?
:D well did u enjoy it, I told u is this islam self torturing and even their little babies, is this sane or is it humane, Islam valued the human soul and Allah asked us never to torture ourself or kill ourself or weep or beat ourself if anyone so dear to us dies, we must be patient and accept Allah's will, he gave us existance and birth and he will take us from this life whenever he wishes, but these crazy people as u c are torturing themselves over Hussain( the son of ALI may"Allah have peace with him"the prophet's cousin) Who was killed by Yazeed the son of Mu'awiya, the islamic khaleefa at that time, Yazeed was a bad ruler he did not rule by Islamic rules, and ALHUSEEN(may Allah be pleased with
him) wanted to take the khilafa from yazid, and the shia's provoked him and told him we will stand by u, the same they did with his father before then they abandoned him and left him alone to be killed by yazeed's men, so they do that to balme themselves for hussains death as if they are the ones who killed him(I mean those in the pictures) so can u c how stupid their beleif is) and one more thing, they consider the Islamic khaleefs ABU BAKER and Ummar as Kuffar and they are worse than satan himself, imagine, which means any other muslim than shee is a kaffir. Well anyways this is just a breif explanation about their beleifs, I will try and find that site I lost and post it for u.
peace