Can al-Qaa'edah be defeated?

[radiyah]

Please refer to the fatwaa of Shaykh Hamood bin 'Uqlaa ash Shu'aybi

Who is this scholar I never heard of him before, I don't update my Islam according to scholars that accept violence, and jihad is a must I said but under strong Islamic governement, not under unorganized groups, if u do not accept prophet Mohammad's policy in spreading Islam, then what kind of policy is that u accept, mere human beings that call for violence.

This is a fatwa from Ibn Othaymeen, wether u like it or not it is up to u

http://www.4quran.net/vb/showthread.php?s=...d=3063#post3063

And the saudi governement has served Islam a lot, and changed its policy with treating with those people, weather it is taghot or not that is up to Allah to judge it not us. We can pray for them to be on the right path instead of condemning them, what started the fitna in the islamic umma in the first place, wasnt it because of the khawarej who started it in the first place who did not accept the leading of the Imam which by the way was fed by a jewish man called Abdallah ibn sabba, and then KHALEEFAT RASOOL ALLAH.Othamn bin Affan was killed.

My Sister in Islam you said \"killing innocent people, this is not Jihad\", i ask you and others once again. Who are the innocent people you talk about????

Innocent people that were killed on 9/11, innocent people killed in riyadh, innocent people killed in turkey. In palestine that is a totally different issue, there they have the right to protect themselves, this I totally agree with u. but others I am sorry i do not.

Sister you need to update your Fiqh al Waqia {the Fiqh of current events}, please, its really important, no point talking about something you dont know.

I have studied fiqh and still studying

and I know what I am talking about,

if I dont study what u want then I am

ignorant, May Allah have mercy on us.

You said \"But now it is peace time\", that really made me sad, Ya Allah.Next i guess you would be advocating for peace treaties now.

And you really believe that Al-Qaa'edah {i.e the Mujahideen) are the ones who are making Fitnah???? Jihaad is a fitnah? This discussion is really getting poor now.

Yes peace time because u can spread Islam easily everywhere without violence or killing , Don't think that I support the usa or any other goverenements, nor do americans accept the policy of Bush as well, but u r free to spread your relegion freely, so instead of killing people invite them to Islam, and I think u know that many marines and soldiers embraced Islam in saudi, kuwait and Iraq so isnt this a victory for Islam?

I did not say Jihad is fitnah, I said what is happening now is fitnah, how many groups of Islam there are now, count them, wasn't this what prophet Mohammad said that will happen, each wants to fight in his own way, I said Jihad is accepted but under one Islamic governement which we pray that will rise soon.

And yes it is getting poor because it is not up to your expectations, it is either your way or it will become poor.

I will not answer again because it seems that u r not ready to accept anybodys opinion here, u just want to impose your own, may Allah have mercy on us.

And I would like to tell u that in this forum we lead people to the right path teach them about Islam, but if u want to show violence here I don't c that u r serving Islam in any way. I hope that this debate will stop , as said before by sister Muslimah we are not here to debate or call for violence, but to teach and help others about Islam.

May Allah have mercy on us.