11-24-2003, 11:09 AM
Quote:I never said u killed them so we will kill urs. I never even implied that, i was just merly asking a question. What was there crime???? Why isnt your so called 'CIVILISED SOCIETY' calling this terrorism???? Oh yeah you have CNN to tell you what is terrorism and what isnt.first of all, know this. i am a muslim and an arab. i live in saudi arabia and am originaly syrian and so are my parents and my grand parents.
what happened in Iraq and Afganistan are crime which the american government has commited and should be punished for. and when i say government, i mean the people in the pentagon and the white house. not the children in the streat or the family having lunch in some restaurant. just so that you know the difference .
Quote:What happpened in usa (9/11) are Martyrdom Operations.no, what happened in 9/11 is worse than what happened in Iraq. even if the US have rampaged our lands, scorched our farms and raped our woman, slaughtered our children and inslaved our men. are we like them? do you want to be like them? we are muslims and we have laws for everything, even war. the jihad laws, as far as i can remember are as follows
trees shouldnt be harmed
women shouldnt be harmed
children shouldnt be harmed
handicaped men shouldnt be harmed
anyone inside his house shouldnt be harmed.
any transgresion against these laws is transgration against the laws of Allah. and all these laws are being broken by your suicide bombers.
and please, dont give me anything from modern age sheikhs, until this day i only found 3 decent sheikhs. all the others cant tell the difference between an apple and a pen. would you believe that a sheikh once said that people who listen to metal are satanic and homosexual? well surprise surprise. i listen to metal and am no less muslim than you. and certainly not homosexual. this is realy pathetic! my brother has a metal band. they sing a type of metal that is very heavy, called death metal.
Quote:The hadeeth goes to say that there were brothers fighting the Romans, and they were martyred, because they penetrated into the forces of the enemy. So some of the mujahideen said: \"Oh these people have forced destruction upon themselves by their own hands\" so basically Abu Ayoob said: \"Verily, this ayah was revealed in our presence, the Ansaar\" and he corrected their understanding by saying that the one who doesn't participate in the Jihaad and the one who isn't killed, the one who remains amongst his family, and his wealth and whatever else is beloved to him - he is the one who has caused destruction upon himself.what did the muslim soldier do? did he kill woman and children at random? why, tell me one good reason why suicide bombers are aiming on a restaurant. just one. did the muslim soldiers go to war and attacked a small shop massacaring its civilians? NO!
your verses and hadith only shows that we should die for our religion. doesnt show anything that supports killing inocent people just because they are the natives of the enemy country or because they have a different faith.
on the other hand, i have verses straight from the qoran and that doesnt need any moron sheikh to interepert. they are as clear as the sun in the day time and support my say.
"God forbids you not, with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them; for God loveth those who are just. (60:8)
"Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190)
"If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61)
"There is no compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right direction is distinctly clear from error". (2:256)
and these verses are just a few i can pick up in a quick scan of the interenet.
Abu Dujana, may you remember that alot of muslims are western converts. in other words, we are all human, what ever the hell our faith is. the least you can do is show a little bit of respect to our brother Soledad. At least he had the guts and open mindedness to come to an islamic forum and speak sensibly with all the nonsense the western media is shedding on its people.