11-19-2003, 05:37 PM
Bismillah
"'Women are the weakness of men, it is thier nature, something they crave more strongly than a women to a man.'
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Not true."
It may not be true for you but it is definately a weakness that men suffer. How many men do you know who think with their smaller brain? I used to know alot of them. It was not because they were stupid people either. They got straight A's in college and were members of many groups and commitees but when it came to women, wa Allah, they would really screw up their lives. Look at history as well. There were men of great standing who blew it all for a woman or women. The Helen of Troy thing. Musicians almost have a degree in it. Several American presidents some we know of and others who kept it more secret. If this statement is still untrue, please provide some verification for your statement.
"But Mohammad took care of that by allowing the husband to take more wives, concubines, slave girls, maidens etc"
I must say that Muhammad did not take care of anything. It was Allah. Nonmuslims love to jump on the multiple wives thing without asking about any conditions. First you can only have multiple wives if you are able to treat them all equally without one feeling like another is getting preferential treatment. In the Qur'an it says that this is impossible so one wife is the best. I must highlight this as being the number one condition. Out of thousands of muslims that I have known, I can only think of a couple of cases when a brother was crazy enough to have more than one wife. Now I will provide reasons why in certain instances that it is allowed. Looking at the population, we can see that women out number men. So a woman should not be allowed to have the comfort of a family because the pool is drained? In the time of the Prophet, there was no retirement funds or benefits for families of the deceased. So a woman was allowed to marry a man who would have to take care of her and, if applicable, her children financially.
"Maybe the husband is no good at it, sorry to be a bit crude here, but maybe he is just not getting the job done."
No crudeness here. In Islam, the man is commanded to make sure that his wife is satisfied as well. Foreplay is encouraged and minute men are frowned upon. Islam recognizes that it is not only the man who can stray but a women as well. Catering to each other's needs is the theme really. There are times when after a hardday's work, the furthest thing from a man's mind is sex. Good food and good rest are number one. Yet if the wife is in the mood, he must fulfill his obligations as well. The time may come when the roles are reversed. Also each spouse must be sensitive to the needs of the other. The case where one is really tired, the other should be caring and realize what is most important at the time. I see it as a golden rule situation. "If I was that tired, would I be in the mood?"
"Marriage is a made up institution."
As I see it, according to you views, everything is made up then, correct? I see no evidence to back up this statement at all. Even the earliest histories recognize some form of marriage. All religions include it as a great ceremony of bonding. Governments from across time and space recognize the importance of marriage. If not from a theological aspect, definately from a sociological one. If you want this argument to pan out, then you will have to do some research in sociology which includes text reading which I know you hate.
Once again, appreciate your style of dialogue that you are taking.
Peace.