That is why I prefer not to discuss 9/11

[phatmonky]

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Dan, as always, I very much appreciate your input, despite me often not agreeing You are always full of thought, and I don't think I have ever seen you just accept something because you heard it - I admire such a quality very much

Before I begin, I am going to be running some errands soon, so if I am lacking on a answer to one of your several questions, just let me know and I'll be happy to add more input.

Starting with the statement about flight 93 and 6 miles of wreckage. The furthest wreckage was 8 miles away, and was a piece of burnt paper foudn in a residential neighborhood. This story was all over the place, but I've yet to see pictures of diagrams from any real source showing where the bulk of the large debris was. Let's be honest here - paper, small items, etc. would have no problem traveling by wind and water (the lake the crash took place near). This is the only amount of information I've been able to confirm online. This, along with the phone calls of passengers telling their loved ones that they " are going to do something" shortly before this. adds to the theory that a struggle insued and the plan was crashed purposefully or accidentally by one side or the other.

Scenario two is that the plane is shot down. I am not able to find any evidence backing this, but I have no moral dillema with such a thing (for the record). I just wish flight 93 was as well documented and studied as the other crashes.

Again, there isn't any evidence supporting there being any less people at the WTC that day than any other time. I followed all the links about the jews, and the supposed internet message on the news group (I'll see if I can find it on google's UUnet archive later if you'd like), and it's all just.....well extremely vague with no evidence.

I don't claim to know all that has happened, simply that all of my time and research on this points to some basic theories, but I guess they aren't as exciting as a good conspiracy.

By mentioning the jew comment I didn't mean anything toward muslims - just mentioning a baseless theory that I always hear - Thing is, jews did die in the WTC, and there werent 5000 of them there for that many to leave.

I must confess, that despite my itending to do so, I have not read the entire text of either patriot act yet I do however know that every court looking at it has declared it constitutional, therefore your statement about the bill of rights isn't so accurate What I do not like is the misuse of it! If it is designed for terrorism, it shouldn't be used for drug runners and others, in which the money is not funding said terrorism. I don't agree with focusing on people in this country that are from certain countries and already here - if we are looking for illegals, let's get them all out at once, not just a certain group.

I do however support increased screening at airports and for visas, from countries in which the climate breeds fanatiscm. If I go to Afghanistan I'll be killed or kidnapped. This is what I deal with when traveling abroad - I do not see a problem with a picture at the airport of people from certain countries (minding you said list is not static and countries are able to be added and removed), and I will not make apologies that a majority of people in many of those countries are muslim. It is fanatics (which are in fact in a certain region) that are the problem, not muslims.

As for my final thoughts on the patriot act - I always loved the saying "those who would trade freedom for safety deserve neither". Some of the patriot act is needed, some I see a great ability to misuse it - I personally will be happy when it is not renewed (it is a timed document) and we surgically apply the good and not the bad.

If we really want to discuss 9/11 and outcomes, why don't we talk Guantanamo - that always proves to be a wildcard in conversations